alienicecream

Intelligence is the ability to comprehend a state of affairs. The input and the output are secondary. What LLMs do is take the input and the output as primary and skip over the middle part, which is the important bit.

Even if there's some exotic whatsit we have somehow not been able to detect thus far, something that lives outside of our existing scientific theories, that would simply require updating those theories, and then figuring out how to follow the same steps biological systems do.

Assuming the whatsit could fit into the materialistic/mechanistic framework. But that's not necessarily the case.

You similarly have no direct evidence that there isn't a bottle A&W root bear on Europa, but our understanding of the history of humanity (and root beer and space travel) makes it very unlikely.

I didn't make a claim, I asked you how you can be so sure of your claim.

So? Lack of evidence is not proof positive of the contrary position. Even if you accept that there is no evidence, which is doubtful in itself since the fact that only humans seem to be able to think the way humans think could be considered evidence.

It's always important to remember that humans aren't made of fundamentally different stuff;

How do you know this?

Yes, that's part of it.

That's pattern recognition, any dog can do that, you don't need an abused dog for that.

Like do they worry about the future and think about the past? No.

The guys who've blown up a billion dollars of tax payer money because rather than carefully design it to work the first time, they slap something together and let it fail to 'iterate'? It sounds like it's same guys working at both companies.

They fight over who gets to teach the asian and white kids.

Yeah, they could just hire some people for minimum wage to do it, but apparently that's too much to ask too, they would rather focus on vanity measures that will make things worse for the environment and more difficult for people to comply with, but will look good in a press release. This is the natural product of environmentalism and bureaucracy.

In my county they banned the collection of any recycling that was bagged. So if you put your recycling in a bag to contain it, the garbage man won't pick it up. So now what happens is everyone puts their recycling loose in a blue bin and the wind blows all the bins over and scatters the recycling all over the neighborhood and eventually into the nearby ponds and ravines.

If you complain about the policy they tell you that it's because the recycling plant can't deal with the bags, it clogs up their machines. So in an age of automated assembly plants and advanced robotics the entire county here is at the mercy of a recycling plant that can't obtain a machine that can cut a bag open.

It just goes to show what a farce the whole program is. Now they're talking about making the rules even more restrictive, like using clear garbage bags so people won't put recycling in the garbage, even though that is going to increase the trash accumulating in the environment. It's a bureaucratic box-ticking and back-patting scheme.

No, there is no crisis, kids are posing like they always have and having anxiety is cool now because the jocks aren't allowed to clown on the nerds anymore and it makes you different, even though everyone is doing it. TV writers knew better than the eggheads a decade ago, watching 22 jump Street would tell you more than this article.

I can see this conversation is leading to Hitler. But sometimes containment leads to a stupid quagmire which you should never have been in in the first place, like Vietnam, and security guarantees to backwards unstable countries leads to larger, more all consuming wars like WW1. Ukraine and Georgia are Russia's back yard, we have no business there.

How is Georgia any different from Finland in that regard?

Basically there's isn't a difference, Finland shouldn't be in NATO either. Americans have no business defending Finland of all places. Georgia is even less of a concern, it might as well be on the moon for all the national interest we have in Georgia.

When we surround them with hostile powers they have to spend more on defending their homeland and have less for building nuclear weapons or launching invasions.

Right, the cornered dog theory. Maybe he'll bark himself to sleep before he bites you.

And anyway you haven't even proposed a viable alternative.

The alternative is that countries negotiate with regional powers and try to maintain friendly relations. The US is not world policeman and we can't afford to play one on TV, because it invites situations like the Ukrainian one.

It can work, or it might not, in which case you or your children will be dying for some town in Eastern Ukraine you've never heard of and you can't pronounce.

How the heck is putting Ukraine or Georgia in NATO going to protect us from Russia's nucleus weapons?? If anything it will make the threat more immediate.

The Ukrainians are still willing to fight for their own soil so your point is illogical and irrelevant.

This thread is about bringing Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, which means we would be obligated to fight on the ground to defend those countries. I don't know what you're arguing against, but it seems you didn't read the thread.

Yeah, thanks for the boilerplate. Exactly what mutual defense of the United States or Western Europe is Ukraine or Georgia going to provide? Western Europe and the United States is not under any outside threat, let alone one that these countries could meaningfully assist with. This is nothing more than "containment" policy, an attempt to restrict another power's freedom of action, which only works as long as they're weak enough to be imposed on. When they're strong enough to contest it, you're going to be over there fighting for Ukranian soil, and if you care that much, you should just volunteer and leave the rest of us out of it.

Why would Ukraine and Georgia belong in NATO for any reason other than to piss off the Russians? Should we put Uganda and Congo in NATO? I hear Rwanda has territorial ambitions. Why don't we just stick to places we belong instead of trying to control every part of the world. Would you like to fight in Ukraine? Because I hear they take volunteers.

Guaranteeing the security of volatile third rate countries you don't really care about is a sure fire way of avoiding war, as we saw in WW1.

Trudeau embodies the kindergarten Kumbaya view that so many Canadians of his generation were raised on, and he was voted in for it, and these are the consequences of that. Why complain? This is what we deserve.

You don't really remember a childhood memory unless you can bring back the feeling you had at the time, and that only happens sometimes, on its own. If you could remember your childhood as it really was you'd think adult life is hollow and fake by comparison.

But it hasn't stayed Paris, it's overrun with North African "migrants". Why put a bald faced lie on it?

Adding another western European country that's under no threat from anyone to NATO isn't going to do anything. We should be adding backwards countries that share borders with or are targets of major enemies, like Georgia and Taiwan. You can't control the world if all you're doing is protecting yourself and your buddies from yourself and your buddies. We need to get Israel in NATO so that the next time Hezbollah fires a missile into an Israeli town we can finally invade Iran. We need to antagonize the other major powers by putting military bases in small countries all around their borders.

Why is this desirable again?

Yeah, messed up by making it too obvious. Don't blame the computer, the algorithm dutifully complied. It turns out the input was garbage, and by extension the ideology behind it. The model is just a mirror, and in this case it was too clear of a mirror for their liking.

That's because opiates actually work. Have you had surgery and requested the non opiate pain killer, or are you just repeating things you heard somewhere because you think you need to have an opinion?

We don't need an AI to parrot woke idiocy either, it'd be better if it was stupid because at least then it might be fun.

Cool, so talking to this thing will be like talking to the boss. Can't wait for all the designated safe and appropriate Fun (TM) we'll have! It'd be better if it was just stupid.

Imagine there are no aliens intelligent in the way humans are, and nature doesn't care about us any more than it cares about a species of gnat, and that knowledge and discovery is not the purpose of life.

Honestly, it's really fun watching these woke idiots shoot themselves in the foot over and over and then backpedal when there's a public backlash. With the school board scandals, Hollywood, corporate culture and now tech, they are doing more damage to their cause than the right could ever hope to.

The problem is the people who are pushing this trash don't have any skin in the game. Anyone who wants to promote diversity should be parachuted into the nearest inner city ghetto and forced to live there, I bet they'll start thinking twice before tweeting from their gated community about how evil the white man is.