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Every Byte Matters 2 months ago

This looks to be the end of the conversation now. Just wanted to drop in and thank you for your time commenting, pron.

The common discourse is that "XYZ language is close to the metal and therefore Blazing Fast (tm)" people become tribalistic and forgot that this there are engineering considerations and trade-offs all the way down. I appreciate you making the argument for the JVM delivering performant code when a budget matters.

You're right to complain. Writing code whose principal job is to be compiled and executed by a computer is not at all the same as writing prose whose job is (hopefully still) to be read by a person.

Up to a couple years ago, the latter was essentially a product of lever-less human attention.

Indeed, I solve hard problem for a living, but those are mostly design. The actual engineering often decomposes to gluing things together with limited need for new primitives.

There are hard problems at every level of abstraction. TAGE predictor optimization up to handling data-center failover.

I don't really have a challenge for people like the OP, I get it. I too dragged my feet, even mourned the death of a type of work I had grown fond of. Then I got over it and realized I might prefer the romance of riding a horse into town, but I also like that there's semi-trucks delivering fresh produce to my grocery store year round. The leverage available right now is frankly insane. The one thing an "old dev" [as he self-labeled] can be sure of is that the younger generations will not share these hang-ups to the same degree and it's those people who will inherit the burden of maintaining and furthering the digital world.

I'm not missing the point; you made several. The one I engaged I quoted for you. You can see from the sibling comments that several of us took issue with it.

For what it's worth, I agree with your last position about just being honest. If anything, a finding like this should just move the asking of small favors from a stranger towards the norm.

also feel comfortable saying that many Americans don't care one bit what happens to foreigners, be it by action of their government or companies

What's the point of this kind of statement for you? Does this help you understand others or just continue to drive the wedge in? Where are you from? Ask yourself can the statement,

"many {of my country} don't care one bit what happens to foreigners, be it by action of the government or companies" not be read as true?

There are self-absorbed, disinterested, uncompassionate people in every country which will satisfy your "many" qualifier.

However when someone is at the gym and another stranger asks them to stop and do a favor that takes time out of their gym visit it’s just annoying, not a friendship starter.

Might be the place you live; this is not my experience at all. I ask randos to spot me every week. People love to help out. Sometimes they'll even keep an eye on you in case you have another set and come offering.

I think the truth is in fact asymmetric on this front.

People, esp. many SWEs, like generating with AI, or more telling, wouldn't want to give it up in their work.

On the other hand, people generally hate consuming the product of gen AI.

Consumer experience = mostly negative

Producer experience = mostly positive

Dario said the same thing about GPT2 when he was at OpenAI. As you can see the digital and physically worlds are now completely compromised and life is a pale shadow of what it was 5 years ago…

These guys have poor track records and compromised incentives.

It's true. There's probably not a clean rule for when to listen and when not to.

I would propose as a heuristic that for the early stage, when your product relies on true-fans, you at least consider the content of a complaint more and don't just treat it as a signal that something somewhere is wrong. Bringing it back to the OP, I'm sure this is what Card did himself.