Omega191

This is comparing apples to oranges; you don't lose the possession of software when you share it.

We'd still be able to decrypt the updates and look for holes, or if you have the hardware, just flash your hacked update on the PS3. (We have metldr keys, so we can sign our own loaders)

No, we don't know what exploit he used. (fyi, I'm in the private IRC channel with fail0verflow and geohot).

I will agree though that what geohot did and the what Team Twiizers (as they were calle back in the day) are quite similar.

This is simply not true. Unsigned code came before piracy. OtherOS kept people wanting to run code on their console happy, removing it was a severe mistake.

And don't put words into the mouth of the PSJailbreak authors. The PSJailbreak allows unsigned code to run, that is why they made it first and foremost (they need unsigned code for piracy), they saw that they can get piracy and went for it. Anything to drive the sales, right? And we still don't know who's behind PSJailbreak, and if they are or aren't in the 'homebrew scene'.

What 'pirate method'?

'DVD/HDDVD/BluRay scene' we're comparing consoles to media now? Get your act together.

Piracy was there before this. This is for homebrew primarily :)

No, no, no. This is a different exploit. We don't know how he did it yet. (He did get the private key mathematically, using the method from the talk, but not using the revocation list exploit)

No, it works on any two binaries.

No, this is different. geohot compromised metldr, fail0verflow did the other loaders. geohot's exploit is different, no one but himself knows how he did it (not even fail0verflow).

Let's not forget that fail0verflow found the keys. After this he saw that it was possible to exploit the loaders.