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You know why.

Yeah, life isn't fair. The impression left by generations of blacks raping and assaulting women in a culture that defends, promotes and rewards predatory behavior means women might not automatically assume you're a paragon of virtue at first glance.

If you think that fora dedicated to laughing at what you call deranged subcultures are not spreading hate and getting people killed

I don't think, I know it's not. Using this illogic, subreddits and forums dedicated to cringing over Qanon, Trumpers, white people, antivaxxers, etc. are hate.

One of the greatest contributors to the emulation community is dead because of Kiwi Farms, and they're not the only one.

Oh, you mean the deranged asshole that tried to extort the mods of KiwiFarms with their suicide and then proceeded to fake their suicide after the emu world got tired of his shit? This is the worst example you could cook up, and it's the one you cooked up LOL!

It's hate.

It's not, it's simply pointing out the deranged nonsense, just like all those forums and subreddits dedicated to Qanon Trumpets are simply pointing put deranged nonsense.

Or you may well find yourself quite unwelcome.

If leftists find me unwelcoming then that means I'm doing the right things.

Remember, furries run the internet.

Remember, furries crap JavaShit into containers. The Internet is ran by white and Asian techbros.

White Americans are descended from Europeans, and the post was talking about being proud to be white

White Americans have never experienced oppression in America. Full stop. Europeans typically are not racialized and do not identify as white, instead as Italian, German, etc. This discussion is obviously about whites in the US.

Though I don't see why oppression is a requirement for pride - does achievement not suffice?

It's not an achievement when you spent centuries conquering, colonizing, and extracting everything you can from BIPOCs. When you start out so far ahead in a race it's not an achievement when you win.

And "white fragility" is simply a way to dismiss objections without addressing if they are factual.

I addressed them, you're not factual. White Americans recoil to the facts that they created and live in a society that upholds their supremacy.

This is false

Wrong. That is true.

You question ask a minor about the consequences of a procedure and judge if they understand it by how they respond.

OK groomer. This is the same logic pedophiles use. Children are not legally nor mentally capable of making such decisions. Full stop.

But it's clear you, personally, are not capable of doing such a thing because you would instead prefer gaslighting.

Projecting about gaslighting is one of the signs of grooming. You're right, I'm not capable of doing something as morally bankrupt like grooming children.

Obviously talking about white Americans, not Europeans. White Americans have never been systemically oppressed. Your reaction to the OP is a textbook case of white fragility [0].

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Fragility

Try reading up on plural systems before you make such judgements

Unfortunately we have.

And don't hang around /r/SystemsCringe; it's a hate sub.

Stop. Stop right there. Laughing at the deranged lunacy of this stupid subculture is NOT HATE. Stop diluting the word "hate" to mean "any slight that goes against my narrative or the narratives of those I ally with." There are real hate groups out there spreading their filth and getting people killed. By diluting the seriousness of hatred, you're inadvertently giving them power. STOP. IT.

Otherkin is not a fad

Yes it is. It's a fad like emo and goth, with tons of overlap.

and it's not confined to Tumblr

Unfortunately.

been around for decades, all over the net and real-life society.

So has emo and goth at this rate. You're proving my point.

There's considerable overlap between otherkin and furry; otherkin is basically furry for fictional species.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SystemsCringe/comments/ov4bsc/this/

Anyway, furry/otherkin and plural people read and post here to Hackernews all the time

Chronically online people are online. Shocked I tell you!

often as experts in their professional field. One of the most consistent producers of...

And often experts in our field are like me: tired of the attention seeking shenanigans like the "system" losers that we have to deal with and manage day to day. Every day chronically online socially awkward people will find some community of invented nonsense to differentiate themselves and play the victim. Nothing like a persecution fetish mixed with fantasy.

that it still has nothing in it that considers women equal to men, despite women's right to vote, pay taxes, own businesses, etc. being established decades ago.

Mind pointing out where exactly in the current, live form of the constitution where women are not considered equal to men?

Like I said, the updating process is so onerous that women aren't considered equals under the constitution

Mind pointing out where exactly in the current, live form of the constitution where women are not considered equal?

No medical treatment is natural.

Wrong. Giving water to a dehydrated person is a natural medical treatment. Your entire premise is now disproven.

You know what's natural? Infant mortality. Nature sucks.

You know what's natural? Children having identity crises and not being mentally developed enough to know the long term effects of their decisions. Nature sucks.

If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by denying them medical treatment because of some concept of "natural".

If you cared about these kids you would learn about why they want puberty blockers rather than suggesting we torture them by pumping them full of steroids to destroy their bodies and denying them their natural development because it's politically expedient.

"Treating" "trans children" is a crime against humanity. Much the same way lobotomies, FGM, etc. are.

I relent the loss of Tumblr because these tired takes on "chuds" and "literal nazis, tell ya whut" were mostly contained there and the shitty subreddits. Now they're getting posted on HN :(.

That's natural puberty according to their natural biology. Feeding them hormones to "pause" puberty is denying them their basic humanity to go through puberty naturally.

the puberty blocker exists solely to give them the time to choose, it's not the same thing as transitioning itself. Denying puberty blockers is letting nature force the choice.

Giving puberty blockers (steroids) to children cause irreversible developments (undersized genitalia, irreversible higher pitched voiced, etc. to males) and absolutely should not be given. Not allowing children to go through puberty is a crime against their humanity.

No, it’s not the exact same logic, because I’m not discussing people’s immutable characteristics

It's literally the exact same logic, because racists discuss people's mutable characteristics as well.

I’m discussing communication styles, which are mutable, and the ideologies that tend to be associated with them, which are also mutable.

You literally just described "SPEAK ENGLISH" and "if only Black people spoke properly and wore their pants up above their waist" (both mutable characteristics).

This has to be post-irony. Good troll.

most hard core trolling forums for repeated child pornography offenses was given a position of power in the organization

He was a reddit mod?!?

You're mistaking people's selective virtue signaling outrage for politeness.

Sometimes tropes exist for a reason.

Is this post-irony? This is the exact same logic racists use.

Yeah, it's suspect when people complain about getting judged for their views, then fail to state what the views are.

Not at all. Definitely not in the era of "cancel culture".

It often turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

It rarely turns out that the views in question are something that people have good reason to disapprove of - racism, homophobia, transphobia, etc.

A few examples from past and current companies I've worked at:

1. Titling an apolitical presentation "Make Front-ends Great Again" caused several leftist activist employees to explode on Slack about fascist White supremacy culture.

2. "Believing" (this is an objective fact) that trans-women are biological male humans is hate speech and a firable offence.

3. Expressing the opinion that the company openly donating to shady BLM foundations[0], or any political group for that matter is not a good idea was shouted down as supporting the fascist, racist, White supremacist status quo.

The list goes on. These basic examples are more than enough to get a target on your back, and possibly fired.

[0] https://news.yahoo.com/black-lives-matter-suspends-online-18...

The primarily motivation for this, uh, bullshit, is home valuation. Home owners, not entirely falsely, believe that a trailer park near them will reduce the value of their homes (so they'll oppose a park even they don't personally think there's anything wrong with them).

A long time ago a real estate mogul that I'm related to told me this: "Trailer parks are section eight housing for White people. They are to be fought against as hard as we fight against section eight housing."

That stuck with me. Right or wrong, I'm under the impression that a lot of people agree with that statement.

They burned the entirety of the country to the ground.

Categorically false. There were huge swaths of Vietnam that were off limits to bombing.

Laos is the most bombed country in world history due to the US trying to stop Vietnam.

Yes, with a fraction of the warplanes, airmen, etc. due to advances in technology like strategic bombers and cluster weapons. The overall air efforts are incomparable to what transpired in WWII.

What would be considered "all out" if not dropping the most bombs in human history, and double the amount of WW2?

If only there was a term to encapsulate such a concept...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_war

There is no higher level.

There absolutely is a higher level. Google what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki near the end of WWII.

America went basically all out trying to stop Vietnam, then one of the poorest countries on earth, and got nowhere.

This is ahistorical. The US in no way, shape, or form when "all out" trying to stop North Vietnam. It was a poor country, but it was heavily armed and resupplied by the USSR and China, including leveraging some of the newest fighter jets, SAMs, etc. the USSR had to offer.

But the MUDs are outside of the cities and pay for the utilities in their defined area... The cities and counties aren't paying for what the MUDs provide, unless I'm mistaken...

How does this work for areas like Texas where most of the suburbs are not in the cities that are supposedly subsidizing them? An example would be the outskirts of Houston where the residents pay for their own utilities through MUDs: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/...

It may not be sustainable for them, but it doesn't seem to be subsidized by the larger city tens of miles away.

I'd like to see if any of these results and conclusions change if you take into account the total tax basis for suburbanites (income tax, sales tax spent in the cities they don't live in, etc.) versus the relatively less well off inner city urbanites. Not all areas are the same, but in places like the Bay Area, a lot of the high income earners move out to the suburbs (think Palo Alto, Pleasanton, Walnut Creek, etc.).

To add, a lot of the economic activities in downtown areas are by workers and customers who live in the suburbs and commute into town. I don't believe that was taken into account.