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Ah, you sort of accidentally stumbled upon the very heart of the matter.

For example: https://www.youtube.com/@OxfordUnion/videos

  The Oxford Union is the world's most prestigious debating society with a tradition of hosting internationally prominent individuals across politics, academia, and popular culture. Founded in 1823 at a time when The University of Oxford restricted students from discussing certain topics, The Union continues to uphold the principle of free speech through the exchange and debate of a wide range of ideas and opinions, presented by a diverse range of speakers - some inspiring, others controversial. As we celebrate 200 years of free speech during our Bicentenary year of 2023, we reaffirm our commitment to our integral values and also our belief that the discussion of complex topics should not only be encouraged but is an essential element of any free society.
Now, click around a few of the videos, and observe if the above description, an honest self-image of the best and the brightest, I'm sure, comports with the actual reality on display.

Make special note of the attitudes displayed by these bright young minds and the questions put to the speakers. Heck, might even notice the ever increasing pop-culture nature of the proceedings. I guess hearing from PSY about Gangam style is one of the most of all time.

In short, a large chunk of these "elites" who go into politics are nepo babies governed by fashionable group think no different from their less monied peers. iPhones are the great equalizer. Everybody is equally cringy. It is a different caliber of person now from the heyday and naturally trends towards authoritarianism.

The exceptionalism is gone a long time ago already. It was perfectly lampooned half a century ago in shows like 'Yes Minister'. Lofty ideals, duty, intellectual curiosity, honesty, a sense of decency, long ago succumbed to mediocrity and farce. And that was the 80s. We are way past that stage where there was still a sense of shame, past the age of spin, hurling into cynical ambivalence now and soon complete forgetfulness.

In short, the West really is in decline and has been for a long time. People who have a clue about why this is a bad idea are nowhere near the halls of power. And I don't mean intricate technical knowledge, these subjects go back centuries, the relevant ideas and ideals are at the very core of what made these societies great in the first place. Poof.

You know why this is wrong instinctually, at your core, because you paid attention to the ship of state and still give a shit about something bigger than yourself. They don't.

There's nothing outright wrong with them, they are just basic ordinary consumers. And the lessons of the past will have to be re-learned if we don't accidentally find ourselves this time in an unescapable permanent dystopia.

Tesla is (in)famously overvalued.

Their market cap is higher than most other car manufacturers (pumping out many times more vehicles than Tesla is), most of whom have caught up on EVs (is Toyota the only big manufacturer still lagging on EVs? I think they are)

Tesla is a top 5 car manufacturer by earnings at $14B for 2022. Toyota is next up that list at earnings of $20B.

Tesla sell almost 0.5 million EVs a quarter and has a 60% EV market share in the US, it sells more than everybody else combined currently, and is growing very fast. Hard to know how it will all shake out but so far nobody has caught up. Doesn't mean they can't but they are chasing. EV share of the US market is only 7% but is clearly the future, and again, Tesla has 60% (!) share in that market segment.

Looking forward there is the Gigafactory in Mexico and the Cybertruck release. If that is a hit Tesla will maintain its market leader position in 2024 and surpass Toyota in earnings. And they keep dropping prices. With smaller earnings than Tesla, and no institutional knowledge of making EVs it is hard to come up with a reason how and why Toyota can end up with a larger share of the EV market - suddenly they will find themselves in the position of the scrappy startup and Tesla the incumbant. That is the reason for the market cap, not mean tweets or dank memes - investors don't care about that.

Probably the list of EV leaders will be mostly new companies like Tesla, not legacy brands. Maybe some Chinese companies. Whatever the case it will look very different than today.

Safran is on this list. Airbus is listed under Netherlands, fair point.

I wonder to what extent the list you link to is affected by French companies moving their headquarters to the Netherlands (or sometimes Luxembourg). Either directly, or while merging with other European companies...

Well, cross reference the lists and you tell me.

https://companiesmarketcap.com/netherlands/largest-companies...

Stellantis, Airbus, anyone else?

Isn’t it sad that the first $500b+ company from Europe is a peddler of vanity and overpriced luxury items?

French top 4 are:

- lvmh $496b

- Loreal $256b

- Hermes $232b

- Dior $172b

https://companiesmarketcap.com/france/largest-companies-in-f...

#9 is EssilorLuxottica (sunglasses), and #11 is a clothing brand.

If this sort of Fashion ever goes out of style does that whole country go bankrupt? I fear what the unstoppable and inevitable ascendance of Balenciaga might do to the French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE39q-IKOzA

  The first CES was held in June 1967 in New York City. It was a spinoff from the Chicago Music Show, which, until then, had served as the main event for exhibiting consumer electronics.
A trade show is where you hawk your wares. A tech conference has sponsors, these are companies that want to sell you things. From their perspective, KubeCon for example, is where they try and convince you that their monitoring and alerting software is the best one. So that's what it is for.

Have a free t-shirt why dontcha, you look like a person of good taste who also needs something to wear. Don't even have to pay you like the guy in the chicken suit spinning a sign outside the venue.

From your perspective, if your employer is sending you on a fact finding mission, it is a free vacation away from the office and the ol' ball and chain. So that is what it is for also.

If you go to a tech conference with expensive tickets and pay out of pocket and aren't buying or selling anything contemplate what you are doing with your life. This article opens like so:

  New Orleanians are just as likely as not to offer you a drink within sixty seconds of greeting you. Eighteen hours after leaving there, I walked into the Salt Palace Convention Center and made a joke about still needing my caffeine to almost-certainly-a-mormon.
That's why the guys with the beer bellies wearing Hawaiian shirts at these shindigs are often well-to-do fountains of knowledge who just want to have fun. They have been around long enough.

But sure, Tesla batteries never catch fire.

Stop that. I did not say never. Gasoline cars explode too, I saw it in a blues brothers movie. Same as you, I've also seen a car fire in real life with the trucks and sirens and everything. Fires are a thing, the night is dark and full of terrors.

Sometimes civilian planes drop out of the sky or even get shot down. Even humans on occasion "spontaneously combust". I can link you news stories demonstrating such events, yet here you are in the day to day not paralyzed by fear of it happening to you. I assume.

Also, socialists don't call each other "comrade."

Astute. I am not a socialist, amigo. Myself, I was actually thinking of good natured, how you say, Humor[*].

Sure. Every singleton I see in the HOV lane really has a dog and two kids stuffed in the trunk. I just can't see them.

Never said that either. I said you can't fit that stuff into a little Fiat 500, it is not the same vehicle category. This isn't an opinion. It literally isn't.

But you're crazy if you say it's cheaper than a $4k used ICE vehicle,

Never said that either!

It's also crazy to say a $75k+ luxury car has a lower TCO than a $40k 2023 Camry.

Nor that.

Is this a reading comprehension issue or just a relentless insistence on throwing shade?

Once again: If you actually want to compare used ICE vehicles like a Camry to a Tesla, you'd compare to a comparable used Tesla model not a brand new $75,000+ one. Used Toyotas are extremely reliable and affordable, it is a great option! May very well be the best option depending on what is available in your location at a given moment.

A new model 3 can now be had for ~$39,900 vs a new Camry for ~$29,900. (https://www.tesla.com/model3/design#overview)

Most people don't buy new, you might not want/need to, that is a separate discussion. Depending how much you drive, as fuel is expensive, eventually you'll break even - maybe around 10 years / 100k miles, you can look it up and do the calculation yourself.

It may or may not be the right option for somebody but surely has nothing to do with the completely different category of $75,000+ cars.

* Worldly socialists are often unfamiliar with the concept. Ymmv.

My battery has never spontaneously ignited and it doesn't cost $24k to replace every xxx-thousand miles. But it's not all roses, I don't get to ride in the HOV lane, but that's fine. I'm a socialist

Can't tell if joking. I guess you read about exploding Tesla batteries in Pravda?

People with families can't load their kids and dogs and luggage into a cute clown car like a Fiat 500. If it suits your needs better that's great. I downsize even more and ride a motorcycle. These things aren't comparable.

The market for $75,000+ cars is small by definition there's really no need to throw shade like this comrade, the comparable cars are in the decadent luxury segment to begin with - which Tesla happens to be dominating for a reason. Horses for courses.

Just to clarify, these "normal people", they are the ones who typically click on links in phishing emails without actually thinking?

Yes? Heh, you know what normal people means, good. Guess what, phishing emails tricking people into visiting fake websites won't be as effective as with this flow there is no password for them to type in and accidentally give away to the attacker.

Q: Why would one not expect to have devices sequestered from each other?

Because most people don't carry two phones or bother sequestering devices. It isn't the common case so it isn't a polished flow. At least not yet.

Don't know about a mountain as you probably use a password manager already, it isn't much different.

Sorry if it wasn't clear:

If you logged in to HN using Safari on a Mac the private-key (a.k.a "password") got chucked into your keychain as part of the account creation flow and is synced across all your iCloud devices.

So on your phone when visiting the HN login page you'd just be prompted for a fingerprint by TouchID and in you go. Actually quite seamless. This would be what 90%+ of users experience as normal people don't fiddle with defaults.

I don't use Windows but they have some sort of iCloud Passwords thing for Windows now too apparently. Just dipping their toe into slowly making it cross platform.

It becomes less seamless and more of a hassle when you are using multiple keychains or 3rd party apps which probably a lot of people here are. What I described is that case, when you have both an Android phone and an iPhone and they are completely sequestered from each other (maybe personal and work?).

HN gets a public key, that's the account. The private key is stored on your device, say on iOS it would be stored encrypted in the secure enclave and accessible via TouchID/FaceID.

There is little to no point in stealing the HN user database at that point because that's all just useless public keys, it has no passwords.

If you wanted to add a device to the HN account you'd login, go to the settings, and generate another pub/private key for the new device rather than the traditional "change password". As there is no password. Most likely you're familiar with a variation of this already from sites like Github.

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Winner winner chicken dinner. Could sum the argument as: Transformers appear to be approximately emulating the brain despite us not fully understanding how either works "inside". Which is weird and eerie, but plausible.

Lets spend months replacing a thing that actually currently works with a slightly nicer to read file format with new and exciting bugs?

Use a prettifier plugin in your editor or squint, silly human. Trailing-comma-on-write-annoyance-adjuster, bada-bing, bada-boom. Most of the peeves can be hidden with good tooling. This Ron thing makes sense because of Serde not because it is prettier.

I am in Japan. I am using some app called Ubigi.

When I landed I made a one off 400 yen payment, like tree fiffdy or something, and immediately had data working right at the airport for the rest of the month. Apple Pay, one off, no contracts, no queues, no diligent service people. It saved probably 1 hour of my life! And it is somehow significantly cheaper (depends on the country, ymmv).

Frankly I pity people who get off a long flight and wait in line to get an overpriced piece of plastic to stick in their phones like it is 1823.

The associated esim app has free connectivity to complete the signup flow without wifi. It is obviously more convenient to download an app to your backup phone than futz around with physical sims you just have to remember to do so before you go camping.

Now you might retort aha! See! In a very narrow set of circumstances.. let me cut you off, look, you're going to need to remember to bring a paperclip or sim tool to do it the old fashioned way anyhow. So you're remembering something. If you're an amnesic lost in the woods you got bigger problems.

Besides, those are 2 grams of weight savings in my ultra light backpacking setup!

- Adulting is hard

I mean a tad overly cynical but vaguely true. Is this really such an epiphany for people? I never understood where does the idea that your employer is your friend even come from? Wait until you find out the etymology of the word salary!

These structures exist to make money. If they stop making money they die and all the jobs go with them and nobody gets paid anymore. If they stop growing they die.

Companies need money like you need oxygen. And if they don't die, if they figure it out and grow big, it is like the goose that layed the golden egg. All it has to do, all it can do, is waddle around and keep on laying golden eggs and shitting everywhere.

Why? The world is filled with unwarranted hype and spin and yet this particular instance stands out especially to exasperbate you so?

Do you go around whenever a new album is about to drop and tell people the single is meh and they should in fact not be excited? What is your actual motivation here to take the wind out of peoples sails?

If the spin is unwarranted gravity, as we saw, will take care of it without your input. If the hype is unwarranted it will evaporate on its own even without your input.

So what are you contributing here? How does your attitude benefit anyone/thing? Pessimism is perfectly fine don't get me wrong - but if you are so pessimistic why even bother to make this sort of remark..

My my, the users don't matter. Who does? Maybe only yieldcrv matters?

The owners have left this platform and mostly hang out on twitter.

the moderations actions in their properties are not a mystery or unexpected

Something we could agree on until relatively recently, there seems to be a notable change in direction and a growing dissatisfaction online and offline amongst actual entrepreneurs (the sort that apply to ycombinator) and investors. If those users don't matter and start leaving what is this site actually for my friend?

I think the concern is that the only reason that source attribution comment is there is because they haven't figured out how to better plagiarize/launder code.

Otherwise the tool can go in the other direction and literally say "hey how about this function from project $foo?" with a full attribution. Apparently Google Bard does bother to do that.

That is quite a bit more nuanced and reasonable that the original moderation feedback given. You certainly appeared to know his intent when you outright accused him of name calling.

p.s. Please let's not go into name-calling like "fruit-cakery". You can make your substantive points without that!

Heed your own advice?

Dang, respectfully, you should ask him what he means by it because I honestly read it differently.

I think he is calling the well wishing weird/phony as most people here are irreligious / not muslims / haven't had a clue about Eid Mubarak until yesterday.

Anyway, I can't be sure either but my point is it absolutely would not have occurred to me until you said it. Caveat: English is not my first language but obviously is a bit far fetched.