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We still have witch hunts both figuratively and literally - we assign blame to innocent parties and jail or unelect them.

And awareness is irrelevant. When I listened to the golden age of punk rock (IMHO) I didn't need to be aware of it: its self awareness changes nothing

And there was no "field" of witch hunting: but even if it is conceded to be so, what's wrong with a good witch burning and hanging now then?

Now we "cancel" or censor (or on HN down vote 'trolls') which is no different. Intolerance and demonizing just takes different forms in different ages.

The use of passive voice and vagueness hides the actors involved: namely management.

But they always have a spreadsheet where they calculate how they can convert your former salary into their bonus.

"Never underestimate (management) greed" - to paraphrase Scarface.

Dozens of news articles report remote workers are quitting instead of RTO and or would quit if forced to do so.

The "practical merits" of unionizing don't matter if you're gonna quit anyway: go for it. It'll probably lose but fuck it, you're gonna quit anyway.

You've got nothing but the chains of the office to lose.

It doesn't matter- they failed to punish the US, stop supporting Israel, or withdraw from the middle east or whatever their goals were.

Terrorism fails but I never said it was "without effect". Vegans boycotting milk hasn't saved any " enslaved cows" but it has given birth to a robust soy and oatmilk industry

But no cows have been released from their oppression. Not a one

The Unabomber wanted to end "technological society " but he did manage to improve postal safety standards. Mission accomplished?

If the goal of the 9/11 hijackers was to improve airport security then mission accomplished! But I think their goal was something else.

Clearly you don't read too well

Once they starting working federal contracts their fate was sealed

Trump has promised to pull hard on the leash of federal dollars.

If Google want "freedom" it will be free of those federal dollars. I suspect they don't want freedom on those terms

People who work at Google may have an influence on that more than those who don't

And are likely to be more motivated anyway as they have skin in the game

Once you quit its not as compelling a problem

If there are 10 remote labor contractors waiting for every quitter (equivalent to a strike breaker "scab") how is google hurt at all?

There are many kinds of " strike" and they require planning and thought.

Here's a quick link I quacked:

https://lawbhoomi.com/types-of-strike/

Ineffective action doesn't multiply into effective action.

Gesture based political action has the same problem of terrorism, which is also ineffective, almost certainly for many of the same reasons

Effective action can be had but it requires coordination leadership, strategic thinking - one off or wildcat action may politicize people towards effective action but alone is (sorry to say) pointless

DEI as such like racial quotas generally have failed, for what reasons we can guess.

You can protest by quitting but that won't fix anything

Its like vegans "quitting" meat. Not a cow was ever saved by this gesture. There are sufficient cow eaters to make such a gesture irrelevant

That's not saying nothing can be done

But some gestures are just that

You are correct down to the last point.

That's not what this poll is about.

Would you do it doesn't need to think about all the possible ways it can fail.

Would you drive a car can be analyzed as a self financing life threatening suicidal act .

Most of us choose to drive for the benefit (s) anyway

Unions can be quite useless. No strike clauses can make them basically a paid extension of management.

I'm not suggesting that this would be an existing union.

It might be a wholly new single issue union.

But I hear ya. I've been in useless unions

Fair enough. I find it to be lonely and without adaptive management it can be alienating from your peers.

I'm more of a hybrid flexible few days of WFH kinda guy myself

No. The other reasons have failed.

Those other reasons will only muddy the waters.

Its WFH or go home...

Once unionized everything is on the table but without a union it's just words.

It's a game changer no doubt but unionizing is powerful AND risky.

The benefit must be compelling enough and/or the would be unionizers have to be risk tolerant (i.e. willing to be illegally fired ).

I've noticed that too. But it would have happened sooner or later by someone

And drug lords have built soccer fields for the poor and dictators made freeways and cheap cars and rockets

I'd say FBs semi open source (not fully unrestricted iirc) was less unique or inevitable that the good actions of other notable evil organizations