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Ask HN: The new wave of AI agent sandboxes?

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I understand the concern. However, you can customize the profile (e.g., allowlist) to only allow network access to required domains. Also, looks like your sandboxing solution is Docker based, which uses VMs on a Mac machine, but will not use VMs on a Linux machine (weak security).

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

That's right. But they (E2B) rely on the underneath Cloud infra to achieve high scalability. Personally, I'm still not sure about the value they add on top of Cloud hosted VMs. GCP/AWS already offer huge discounts to startups, which should be enough for VM-based sandboxing of agents in the MVP phase.

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

To the commenters here: thanks for correcting me! So AWS is losing AI sandboxing market to GCP due to high cold start times of EC2...very interesting!

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

These are all wrappers around VMs. You could DIY these easily by using EC2/serverless/GCP SDKs.

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

we offer secure cloud VMs that scale up to 100k concurrent instances or more.

High scalability and VM isolation is what the Cloud (GCP/AWS, that E2B runs on) offers.

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

I'm not saying sandboxes are not needed, I'm saying VMs/containers already provide the core tech and it's easy to DIY a sandbox. Would love to understand what value E2B offers over VMs?

I will ask what I've asked before: how to know what resources to make available to agents and what policies to enforce? The agent behavior is not predefined; it may need access to a number of files & web domains.

For example, you said: > I don't expose entire /etc, just the bare minimum How is "bare minimum" defined?

Inspecting the log you can spot which files are needed and bind them as needed. This requires manual inspection.

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

In the last one year, we have seen several sandboxing wrappers around containers/VMs and they all target one use case AI agent code execution. Why? perhaps because devs are good at building (wrappers around VMs) and chase the AI hype. But how are these different and what value do they offer over VMs? Sounds like a tarpit idea, tbh.

Here's my list of code execution sandboxing agents launched in the last year alone: E2B, AIO Sandbox, Sandboxer, AgentSphere, Yolobox, Exe.dev, yolo-cage, SkillFS, ERA Jazzberry Computer, Vibekit, Daytona, Modal, Cognitora, YepCode, Run Compute, CLI Fence, Landrun, Sprites, pctx-sandbox, pctx Sandbox, Agent SDK, Lima-devbox, OpenServ, Browser Agent Playground, Flintlock Agent, Quickstart, Bouvet Sandbox, Arrakis, Cellmate (ceLLMate), AgentFence, Tasker, DenoSandbox, Capsule (WASM-based), Volant, Nono, NetFence

Deno Sandbox 6 months ago

allowNet: ["api.openai.com", "*.anthropic.com"],

How to know what domains to allow? The agent behavior is not predefined.

What about VMs? They offer strong isolation, as they don't share kernels, and have long been a foundational piece for multi-tenant computing. Then, why would we put an extra layer on top and rebrand it as an AI agent sandboxing solution? I'm genuinely curious what pushes everyone to build their own and launch here Is it one of those tarpit ideas: driven by own need and easy to build?

Congrats on launching, and great testimonials!

What problem does it solve compared to bazillion code execution sandboxing agents (and containers/VMs)?

Overall, a lot of people are building their own code execution sandboxing agents around containers/VMs. Curious to know what's missing that makes people DIY this?

Here's my list of code execution sandboxing agents launched in the last year alone:

1. E2B 2. AIO Sandbox 3. Sandboxer 4. AgentSphere 5. Yolobox 6. Exe.dev 7. yolo-cage 8. SkillFS ERA Jazzberry Computer Vibekit Daytona Modal Cognitora YepCode Run Compute CLI Fence Landrun Sprites pctx-sandbox pctx Sandbox Agent SDK Lima-devbox OpenServ Browser Agent Playground Flintlock Agent Quickstart Bouvet Sandbox Arrakis Cellmate (ceLLMate) AgentFence Tasker