The 4 types if MUD players

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by e1ven • 17 years ago

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dkersten• 17 years ago

If you find this interesting, you will love his book "Designing Virtual Worlds". The first chapter covers the types of players in much greater detail. Its a fantastic book and I enjoyed reading it. Richard Bartle does a great job of explaining his points and backing everything up with references, so even if you don't agree with some of his observations, you can see why he thinks so and perhaps learn from it. Definitely a must read if you're developing a MUD or MMO game, but a good read even if you're not. </advertisement>

gaustin• 17 years ago

Richard Bartle writes some interesting MMO/MUD commentary (among other interesting things) on his blog: http://www.youhaventlived.com/qblog/

__• 17 years ago

I second that. As I recall, it's a very enjoyable 700-page brain dump by someone who's really into his subject. The writing has a personal voice; there are lots of asides, dry wit, and typos that suggest restrained editing. The discussion is intelligent and often theoretical (and Bartle is not scared to use mathematical metaphors), but the tone is not academic.

brazzy• 17 years ago

I love the wording "acquiring some weapon and applying it enthusiastically to the persona of another player in the game world."

vinhboy• 17 years ago

I used to play a text-based MUD called Creeping Death.

Tagith• 17 years ago

Wow, this takes me back... I remember reading this ten years ago or so. Still basically holds true for modern MMOs, I think, and they often do a better job of accommodating the different types of players than the old MUDs did as a result.

DarkShikari2• 17 years ago

I'd be interested what the results of a Bartle Test poll would be on HN.

I'm an ESKA, which has always left me in that odd group of players who has never been satisfied by the core mechanics any MMOG. Most MMOGs cater to As, with a bit of S and K. The Es seem to be mostly ignored, perhaps because they'll never be satisfied by your standard World of Warcraft-copycat grindfest.

NikkiA• 17 years ago

EASK here...

There have been a few MMOGs that would have appealed to us E___'ers, SWG in its original form was basically a E___'ers wet dream, especially if they'd continued to expand the number of planets over time, rather than focusing on poor theme parks.

Neocron has a fair bit of E___ appeal too, as does Ryzom. Anarchy Online also has positive features for us (and was the first MMOG I paid a lot of attention to, so it's the one I keep going back to...), but lacks a lot of the deep crafting system that a lot of us E___ers desire.

There's a common thread to those games, they're all pretty much 'sandbox' MMOGs, games where you're not pushed into a specific chain of events, nor pushed into PvP as a necessity (god, I hate the vocal K___'ers, they insist on ruining every MMOG they touch).

DarkShikari2• 17 years ago

I've never really found "E" games based around developer-crafted content to be very interesting, because it's simply not sustainable. At best you get a universe that keeps you interested for a few weeks and at worst you just get thousands of copy-pasted fetch quests.

Anarchy Online and Earth and Beyond were mildly interesting, but that's about it.

I don't think PvP-as-a-necessity is inherently bad in a sandbox exploration game. If anything, it's good: other players will always be more interesting to compete against, whether by direct combat, economic competition, or diplomacy, than AI NPCs. IMO the only way to get a sustainable game that consistently produces interesting content is to rely on the players.

In my experience the primary aversion to PvP comes from games that weren't designed from the ground up to be about PvP, but had it forced into the system in a way that was simply not enjoyable or interesting.

EVE Online was "so close, yet so far" to this ideal, in that it got a lot of things very right but designed the economy too much around grind and spent the past few years focusing too heavily on strategic combat with capital ships instead of individual players.

Dove• 17 years ago

E players -- and especially ES players -- shouldn't play online RPGs at all. They should play tabletop games, preferably with a top notch storyteller/DM.

Nothing beats the exploration and interaction value of an expansive world (say, something like Exalted), a custom story written for your character, and a group of people who come to spend time doing nothing but exploring and interacting with and generating it. Anything driven by bits is a shabby and distant second best.

Though if you must, something like Nethack can keep your E side happy for a while.

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