National IPv6 launch day in Finland

https://www.viestintavirasto.fi/en/ipv6now/index.html

by eloycoto • 11 years ago

166 108 11 years ago

toyg• 11 years ago

That's a great idea. I hope other countries follow suit. We need this sort of arbitrary "catalyst events" to sanction migrations, even just at the psychological and political level.

mauricemir• 11 years ago

What would have been better is 20-25 years ago take ipv6 out back and shoot it and tel the IETF to go back to the drawing board and come up with one tat had a better migration plan

justincormack4• 11 years ago

I like the idea that if you participate you have to leave ipv6 turned on after. These one off days before have just ended and most people turned it off.

Github please add ipv6 support...

rwmj• 11 years ago

And HN too:

    $ host news.ycombinator.com
    news.ycombinator.com is an alias for news.ycombinator.com.cdn.cloudflare.net.
    news.ycombinator.com.cdn.cloudflare.net has address 198.41.191.47
    news.ycombinator.com.cdn.cloudflare.net has address 198.41.190.47

justincormack4• 11 years ago

Yes thats odd as you can just turn on ipv6 support with cloudflare.

nodata2• 11 years ago

Do you have a paid github account? Please ask for ipv6 support https://github.com/contact

gjtorikian• 11 years ago

Err, you don't need a paid account to write into Support and ask for a feature. I'm not sure why you mentioned that.

746F7475• 11 years ago

Well, at least I don't yet have IPv6 working. Might be because this isn't mandatory and my ISP (largest in Finland) just doesn't care or because I'm using 4G since they can't figure out how to get a working fiber connection to me (it works for few hours and then cuts of for 30-90 minutes).

anewhnaccount• 11 years ago

Here also. It's a Saunalahti/Elisa 3G+ dongle. Nothing.

It looks like the seminar is streaming online: http://areena.yle.fi/tv/suorat/yle-areena/1-2779136

zokier2• 11 years ago

Here is info for Elisa Mobile network IPv6 http://www.elisa.fi/ipv6

dezgeg2• 11 years ago

At least DNA in Helsinki delivered, this is what I started to see today:

    wlp3s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
            inet 82.181.xxx.xxx  netmask 255.255.248.0  broadcast 82.181.xxx.255
            inet6 2001:14ba:100:0:4a21:b369:xxxx:xxxx  prefixlen 128  scopeid 0x0<global>

http://test-ipv6.com/ gives a score of 10/10. It looks like they are currently serving only /128 via DHCPv6, though.

pekkap• 11 years ago

You actually get a /56 if you ask for it (dhclient -6 -P -N -v -i em1 or somesuch )

tbr4• 11 years ago

Last time I asked a technical(!) sales person at TeliaSonera about IPv6 availability they asked "Did you mean IPTV?".

That pretty much sums it up and they are notably not ready for the "launch", but the launch page implies it's a staged roll out to ensure network stability. I read that as "we couldn't be bothered to get things done in time like the other ISPs". Notice how e.g. DNA just flipped a switch and went bang.

zokier2• 11 years ago

You might be in luck, it seems like Sonera has been deploying 6rd for some time already. Maybe you could already get IPv6?

tbr4• 11 years ago

I have a tunnel already, had for a decade. I want native IPv6.

lucb1e• 11 years ago

technical(!)

Anyone remotely technical knows about IPv6. If that's what you get when you ask for tech support, ask if they have real technicians whom you could talk to.

tbr4• 11 years ago

yes, that person transferred me and then one or two more transfers later I had some actual tech person who went "oh yeah, we do IPv6, I think, it's a business feature. How you get it, I have no clue." It took another two months of probing and poking and unanswered call requests to B2B sales, to find out that in theory I could get a business connection, but it would cost me 10x as much with the only benefit being native IPv6. (It would be still over a crappy VDSL2 line at identical parameters).

vardump3• 11 years ago

Notice how e.g. DNA just flipped a switch and went bang.

How loud bang and how much smoke?

tbr4• 11 years ago

Purely for the record: http://ape3000.com/ipv6/ - a site that tracks IPv6 deployment in Finland was updated and the "will deploy native for launch" has disappeared next to Sonera and now it says "A schedule for native deployment is not known". So yeah, one of the largest ISPs decided not to give the slightest f. and will just stick to a half-arsed 6rd deployment, it seems.

betaby2• 11 years ago

I some what skeptical about all those IPv6 launch days. Residential IPSs across the world really do not care. Meanwhile in Canada for example Rogers gives 3G/LTE users IPs from the 25.0.0.0/8 (UK Ministry of Defence) and then NAT them to the pool of the real IPv4 IPs. No IPv6 as you may guess.

callahad• 11 years ago

As far as I can tell, T-Mobile in the US provisions handsets with IPv6 by default.

betaby2• 11 years ago

How is your experience? If you tether, do you get IPv6 on your laptop as well? Is IPv4 traffic NATed or not ?

tzs2• 11 years ago

I just got an iPhone 6 Plus from T-Mobile a couple days ago, and I don't seem to be getting an IPv6 address over LTE. Maybe they aren't doing it everywhere yet?

I'm in Western Washington, in the Puget Sound area on the other side of the water from Seattle.

pyvpx• 11 years ago

Kabel Deutschland utilizes DS-Lite, effectively making the network IPv6 native. Comcast has been doing quite a bit of interesting work with going native IPv6 internally.

I am a huge proponent of LISP and this is one of the "coolest" uses of LISP I've seen yet: https://www.nanog.org/sites/default/files//meetings/NANOG64/...

X-Istence• 11 years ago

Comcast is going for a pure IPv6 core network, they are currently at 60% of their customers getting an IPv6 address of some sort (cable modem or even cable box).

T-Mobile's network is IPv6 as well. Especially for customer devices that support 464XLAT: https://sites.google.com/site/tmoipv6/464xlat

There is a LOT of support for IPv6, and many companies like Facebook are finding that IPv6 actually offers better performance end to end for their users.

Take a look at this NANOG presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfjdOc41g0s

unsignedint• 11 years ago

To me, enabling IPv6 actually caused some weird issued[0], and had to turn it off... Seems to be more place that can go wrong by just enabling it...

[0] http://forums.xfinity.com/t5/Home-Networking-Router-WiFi/Net...

sandstrom• 11 years ago

It bothers me that AWS doesn't have usable IPv6 support (not in VPCs, unavailable for EC2 instances, not S3, missing from Route53, etc).

I think there is a bunch of progressive companies running on AWS that would like to offer IPv6, but cannot.

IgorPartola2• 11 years ago

I agree with you that it is very important that AWS offers it everywhere. However, I would say they do offer it "where it counts": their load balancer a are already dual stack and Route 53 ALIAS records support this directly too. Your clients can access you via IPv6 and that is huge.

justincormack4• 11 years ago

But not in S3, or on the CDN, for example.

jnsaff22• 11 years ago

Their LoadBalancer is IPv6 only in EC2 Classic which is being deprecated.

adevine• 11 years ago

Apparently Apple announced that once iOS 9 is released, all apps will be required to support ipv6. Given the large number of apps that use AWS as a backend, how will this be feasible?

arbitrage• 11 years ago

Supporting IPv6 doesn't necessarily mean IPv6 exclusively. Also, there's always tunneling. Hacky, but it might be the stick that is needed to whip people into actually using IPv6.

mfenniak• 11 years ago

The app can support IPv6 while not actually using it for communication. This would be a matter of allowing people to enter IPv6 addresses, websites, e-mail addresses, etc; logging, and displaying IPv6 addresses rather than hard-coding IPv4-only approaches, etc. Basically, prepare your app so that if your backend supports IPv6, your app already does.

It would be bigger news if iOS 9 required all apps to support not having access to IPv4.

dspillett• 11 years ago

I doubt that is something that Apple consider to be their problem: what the developer chooses for their back end is their business. If the relevant parts of AWS don't support IPv6 then developers will have two choices:

1. Use some sort of v6-to-v4 proxy service

2. Or chose another system for their backend

Given that Apple are apparently using AWS as part of their iCloud, I suspect it won't be an issue though. Perhaps Apple know that Amazon will be rolling out appropriate changes in a timescale sufficient that they can be reasonably sure there will be no problem?

cesarb• 11 years ago

NAT64 or other transition technologies.

As long as you use DNS instead of hardcoding IPv4 addresses (and if you are using AWS's ELB, you are using DNS instead of hardcoded IPv4 addresses), a mobile phone in an IPv6-only network will connect to your backend as if it had a IPv6 address, with the mobile network doing all the translation.

That's probably why Apple is adding the requirement: no matter whether your backend is on IPv4 or IPv6, your client must be able to connect to it as if it were on IPv6. Due to IPv4 exhaustion and the costs of CGN, the more phones can use exclusively IPv6 (even if through NAT64 or 464XLAT), the better for the network operators.

CountSessine3• 11 years ago

I'm going to hazard a guess and say that Apple probably just wants to make sure that your app doesn't try to do silly things like pass user-input network addresses (like for email apps that need the user to supply an email server address) through parsing regexes like (\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+)\.(\d+).

teraflop2• 11 years ago

Android seems to have been doing a pretty good job at this. I've been using IPv6 exclusively on my Nexus 4 ever since T-Mobile rolled it out, and I've yet to come across an app that isn't compatible with it.

stevekemp• 11 years ago

Route53 has IPv6 support in the sense that you can get/set AAAA records. It doesn't have it in the sense that their namesrvers are IPv4 only. That's my biggest annoyance with route53.

(I wrap route53 with tinydns + git to provide DNS with flat pricing and good reliability - http://dns-api.com/ )

rogeryu• 11 years ago

I use the DNS flusher addon in Firefox, and with the Status-4-evar toolbar addon, I can see the IP address of the sites I visit. My provider (not in Finland) offers IPv6 support, and I see IPv6 addresses quite often, especially for Google, Facebook and other big sites.

This addon makes IPv6 real for me. I know my provider uses IPv6, but actually seeing this address makes a difference to me. Most people don't know and don't care, and they shouldn't as normal user, but for me it's different.

dmfdmf• 11 years ago

I think we should pick a day, not too far out, and we all should immediately switch to IPv6 and the metric system world wide. Just rip off the band-aids and move forward.

themodelplumber• 11 years ago

I can't begin to imagine what that would cost in lost business due to downtime.

k__2• 11 years ago

This would probably have health implications.

220lb seem more than 100kg

scott_karana• 11 years ago

That's why we'd choose the day in advance. Businesses already lose loads of money due to metric<->imperial conversions. Let's stop the madness.

paublyrne• 11 years ago

The metric system has already been adopted worldwide.

1ris2• 11 years ago

The metric system is a "worse is better" approach. Why is Kg, a base unit, even if it has prefix?

Time in the SI is based on seconds, that relate very odd to the duration of a day.

The same horrible base60 system is used for angles.

Don't use SI. Use a system that fits for your Problem (e.g. the cgs system) Use Units that make sense (like Angstroms or barns) for the problem you are solving. Often SI fits. But SI shouldn't be a dogma.

shmerl11• 11 years ago

US is very much behind with it. You barely can see road signs with km/h, and temperatures in Celsius. I'd also prefer time to be in HH:MM:SS instead of AM/PM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metrication_in_the_United_Stat...

With this rate it will take forever. There isn't enough political will do finish the job.

sakri• 11 years ago

Torille?

Dobbs• 11 years ago

Apple has actually done a really good job of pushing IPv6. For years their devices have supported it from their routers to their laptops. Between Apple and Comcast's recent IPv6 turnup I'm actually on IPv6 by default.

pornel• 11 years ago

IPv6 works without problems in OS X, but AirPort doesn't support IPv6 over PPPoE (I've had no luck with bridge mode either, even though it theoretically should support that).

simon_vetter2• 11 years ago

I've used a Time Capsule just fine in bridge mode when cabled to a CPE sending out router advertisements. If you use it as a bridge, you might want to make sure the TC firewall is disabled (or at least lets multicasts through).

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