Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front page?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9166409

by SlyShy • 11 years ago

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What should I make of this? A complicit culture of silence? I feel sick, uneasy, and confused.

Implicated2• 11 years ago

I expected to see ongoing discussion about it today, instead this is the only post I'm seeing.

cj• 11 years ago

Who is Kelly Ellis?

Implicated2• 11 years ago

https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok

Her pinned tweet gives a pretty good indication of what's going on.

bri3d• 11 years ago

HN penalizes stories with more comments than votes ("flame war detector"). Between that and the inevitable flagging, stories about sexism and/or workplace harassment tend to die quickly on HN.

lambda• 11 years ago

Yes, in my experience, this is the most likely reason that this article disappeared.

I have a hard time deciding if this is a good policy or not.

On the one hand, it does tend to mean that there are fewer flamewars showing up on the front page, and getting people sucked into endless debates that go nowhere.

On the other hand, I feel like this works to sweep under the rug real problems that occur in this community. Rather than being able to expose and deal with such problems, once things become contentious they just disappear, leaving only the things that the community has more consensus on.

xmpirate• 11 years ago

are you talking about https://twitter.com/justkelly_ok ?

SpikedCola• 11 years ago

It appears to have been renamed to "Why didn't you back me up?"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309

jttam• 11 years ago

Although I don't know Kelly Ellis, I believe this is in reference to this: https://plus.google.com/+KellyEllis/posts/L4wawXpNt25 -- I am not actually trying to express an opinion on this, but that's the context from yesterday.

eevilspock• 11 years ago

This will probably dissappear from the front page too. HN is biased strongly against meta posts.

If that happens, that would tragically mirror the tech world's distaste for open and honest discussion of the issues women face in tech.

dang2• 11 years ago

The story was on the front page for many hours yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9163309.

It was reposted today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9165261. We would normally demote that as a duplicate, but we didn't. Users flagged it.

tomp• 11 years ago

Those are two different stories. IMO, the second one is much preferable, as it's an actual story, instead of just a 50-or-so-word G+ and Twitter post. I don't see why it should be considered a duplicate, though I guess if users flagged it, most of them disagreed.

dang2• 11 years ago

They aren't two different stories by the standards that normally apply on HN. They're about the same thing.

It's true that the SF Weekly article gave more background than the Google+ post, but it was linked in yesterday's thread and the information in it was discussed there.

georgiecasey• 11 years ago

A complicit culture of silence? I feel sick, uneasy, and confused.

jesus, get the story right before jumping to conclusions

MartinCron• 11 years ago

I don't think "complicit culture of silence" is quite right as it implies more direct intent. It's more along the lines of "inability to have a difficult conversation".

My personal stance is that even though this conversation is difficult, it's worth having. If we can't have it, who can?

Is it just me or did Kelly Ellis disappear from the front page?

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