Show HN: Cider — Hassle-free bootstrapping using Homebrew

by mkskm • 12 years ago

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mateuszf• 12 years ago

Just wanted to say that this name is already used by (quite popular) emacs Clojure IDE plugin. https://github.com/clojure-emacs/cider

zyxley• 12 years ago

It's also the name of a Wine dervative used for many Mac ports of Windows games. https://www.transgaming.com/cider

ianlevesque• 12 years ago

And was the name of an iOS / Android porting tool (http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/cycada/) until they realized how overloaded the name Cider is.

pbreit• 12 years ago

Is this the type of thing that could have been built in to a fork of Homebrew and perhaps if people liked it been incorporated into the main distro?

I understand why things proliferate like this but it can be frustrating.

mkskm6• 12 years ago

I contemplated doing that (something like the brew-cask syntax), but it ended up not really being worth the complexity, especially when you consider that not all of the commands necessarily correlate to those in Homebrew (e.g. setting defaults). Might consider doing something like that in the future though, if it ends up that people aside from me want this.

It's also worth noting that even projects such as Homebrew Cask are also merely extensions to Homebrew (AFAIK, there aren't any plans of it getting merged in anytime soon).

damurdock• 12 years ago

Mmm, homebrewed cider...

But seriously, I really like this idea. You should definitely PR this into Homebrew though.

pron2• 12 years ago

Is it possible to create the configuration file from the current machine state, or do you have to create the configuration by hand?

mkskm6• 12 years ago

Right now it's updated whenever you install something with cider. You can update it with whatever you currently have installed using `cider [cask] missing`. Defaults are the same way - cider supports the same syntax as the `defaults` command, so you should be able to use it as a drop-in replacement in most cases.

Symlinks and scripts are manual, but I plan on changing that: https://github.com/msanders/cider/issues/3

pron2• 12 years ago

`cider missing` fails when it can't find a formula and writes nothing to the file...

jokogr• 12 years ago

Do you have to install on your own homebrew and homebrew cask?

I'm asking, because I am in the process of creating an Ansible playbook (http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_module.html and http://docs.ansible.com/homebrew_cask_module.html) and I want to write a small bootstrap script to install homebrew and homebrew cask first.

mkskm6• 12 years ago

It will install cask for you, but homebrew needs to be installed via the script on http://brew.sh/#install (you also need to have Xcode or Apple's cli tools installed).

jinushaun• 12 years ago

And you need pip :(

j_s• 12 years ago

https://github.com/mwrock/boxstarter can help setup Windows machines for developers.

dantiberian• 12 years ago

I'd like to recommend Mackup for backing up machine config (and keeping them in sync) https://github.com/lra/mackup.

mkskm6• 12 years ago

I actually tried mackup a few weeks ago and had to wipe my machine because it messed up my settings so much (who would've thought backup could be such a dangerous command?)

Cider's approach is much safer since all it does is reinstall the components & settings you've specifically allotted it to. Rather than move all your various configs and caches around in an attempt to keep them in sync (which is, IMO, subject to headaches and not worth the hassle), the whole point of Cider is to keep as little state on your machine as possible so you can stop thinking about this stuff.

mga226• 12 years ago

Anyone else just skim the title and then get disappointed when it didn't actually relate to homemade booze?

jimmcslim• 12 years ago

See also http://osxc.github.io which builds upon Ansible (which is of course also built in Python).

But what if I use Homebrew to install a package (pyenv) to manage my Pythons to install cider to bootstrap Homebre...

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priteau• 12 years ago

There was once a similar project also called Cider, created by Corey Donohoe (atmos) from GitHub. It was renamed to cinderella because of trademark infringement, so you might want to check that out: https://github.com/atmos/cider

mkskm6• 12 years ago

This is good to know. Any suggestions for a better name?

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