Django gaining or Rails waning?

http://trends.google.com/websites?q=http://www.djangoproject.com/,+http://rubyonrails.org/&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

by fjabre • 17 years ago

28 36 17 years ago

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xal• 17 years ago

Maybe, but don't forget that there is also rubyonrails.com that you have to add on top (both are valid).

Also, rails.com is not as much a destination page as django.com. Most rails programmers rely on books to learn it and use API docs that are hosted on third party pages.

tptacek• 17 years ago

There are more Python devs in the world than Ruby devs, so my read is that Python was simply artificially supressed for multiple years for lack of a user-friendly webdev toolkit; with Django, Python is both catching up and no longer bleeding Python devs to Rails.

Obviously, Rails and Django are also at different points on the hype cycle.

bad_user• 17 years ago

I recently started using Django for a personal project. I wasn't really aware there was hype around it.

I remember when it was launched that it had some hype as it was touted as a Rails alternative, but earlier versions like 0.95 were awful anyway.

It's a cool framework though. I like the plugins available.

amalcon• 17 years ago

There's been some hype as an indirect result of Google App Engine.

nixme• 17 years ago

Why is this a competition?

boggles• 17 years ago

It's a competition for jobs and influence within the industry. Nothing to sniff at.

carbon84• 17 years ago

That might be relevant if it actually reflected jobs available, but it doesn't, not even remotely (see my comments here for numbers: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=805931)

Note also that according to the trends graph, djangoproject's visitors have also been steadily declining over the past year.

thismat• 17 years ago

I agree, they both seem to be great frameworks, I've used rails and love it, and I've planned a project to learn Django with as it's peaked my interest.

Why can't we all enjoy the differences and enjoy them for different reasons? Do we spread ourselves too thin when we bounce around learning the basics of different frameworks? Or are we simply stocking our utility belt with more solutions to problems?

whirlycott1• 17 years ago

I don't think so... it seems like the centers of gravity are just shifting around a bit. Look at github:

http://trends.google.com/websites?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.djangop...

calvin• 17 years ago

Keyword search trends: "Ruby on Rails" v. "Django": http://trends.google.com/trends?q=django,+%22ruby+on+rails%2...

Update: Yes, I know it's a rough estimate, and if you can find a way to do a more refined filter on Google Trends, please share it and make us all the wiser. "Python Django" doesn't provide good results for comparison.

Update (2): Filtered out some of the noise: http://trends.google.com/trends?q=django+-restaurant,+%22rub... -- still looking for a way to exclude the musician from results

shabda• 17 years ago

I like and use Django, but thats a 100% wrong trend as about 50% of Django searches are searching for Django the musician.

dabeeeenster• 17 years ago

How do you know that?

knotty66• 17 years ago

But lots of people just refer to it as 'Rails' ...

callmeed• 17 years ago

Exactly ... when I'm searching for an aswer re:RoR, I don't think I've every included "Ruby on Rails" in my query.

ilyak• 17 years ago

I wonder why Russia scores so high in those. I've never thought we have any non-trivial number of rails activity.

icey• 17 years ago

Try adding "-Reinhardt" to filter some of the musician results out.

jrwoodruff• 17 years ago

http://trends.google.com/trends?q=django+-restaurant+-Reinha...

That looks more realistic, but there's still a significant amount of noise pre-2005, which is when Django was released according to Wikipedia.

If you mentally subtract the fairly steady amount of traffic pre-2005, you'd have a pretty accurate estimate I would guess.

DannoHung• 17 years ago

This one squares with the way things seem to me:

http://trends.google.com/trends?q=ruby+rails%2C+django+pytho...

Rails slacking off, particularly as it gets more mature and in the middle of the Rails 3 refactoring. Django gaining some steam.

carbon84• 17 years ago

Spring gaining or Django waning? http://trends.google.com/websites?q=djangoproject.com%2C+spr...

Really, HN should be above this inanity.

req22• 17 years ago

Inane or not, you should be aware of the false analogy you've presented: rails is not obviously cyclical, as spring is.

carbon84• 17 years ago

springsource.org. framework website, not season.

yrck• 17 years ago

Add drupal.org on there to get a different idea. I would say that there is less money in custom web development so there is less interest in the tools all together.

butterfi• 17 years ago

I added Drupal in that mix as well and was pleasantly surprised. I disagree that there is less money in custom development though. All the Drupal developers (and I know a fair amount) I know are buried in work...

thenduks3• 17 years ago

As someone who has used both frameworks extensively, I like to add an interesting tidbit:

Considering my Rails work: I visited rubyonrails.org only once, when I first heard about it - it's primary focus isn't as a resource site and I don't know any other Rails developers that use it as one.

Considering my Django work: I had djangoproject.com open practically all the time, every day, since it's a primary destination for everything related to the project.

mikeryan2• 17 years ago

I was going to agree with you, I almost never use the rubyonrails.org main site.

But I tried putting api.rubyonrails.org and apparently that also falls under the rubyonrails.org domain which I use quite a bit for rails dev.

thenduks3• 17 years ago

There is some content there, for sure. I used gotapi instead of api.rubyonrails.org most of the time (they have other stuff there too, of course, which is handy). I have since switched to just looking stuff up in the source because I'm pretty familiar with it.

ballen• 17 years ago

Agreed, never used the main site. Apidock.com is my main source for Rails info. Also I think some of the Ruby micro-frameworks may be gaining popularity.

thenduks3• 17 years ago

I came across guides.rubyonrails.org just recently. It's actually very useful. If it was around when I was starting out I would have been there a lot.

As for the microframeworks, I'm with you. I don't build apps in Rails from day 1 anymore, I generally use Sinatra instead and sometimes (for smaller apps) there ends up being no reason to switch to Rails.

quellhorst• 17 years ago

Or overall search volume is increasing driving them closer together. Useless graph without numbers of left axis.

dpnewman• 17 years ago

Absurd to use either the site traffic or search term ranking comparison.

I will say, in san fran at most of the recent startup-y events i have attended rails has been far more represented than django. now this isn't scientific either by any stretch ...just a sense from real world engagement.

omouse• 17 years ago

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