Microsoft on GitHub

by kevcampb • 12 years ago

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erowtom2• 12 years ago

http://www.microsoft.com/openness

scope• 12 years ago

has anyone noticed the 'openness blog' where there's a custom scroll bar where if you want to scroll you have to DRAG it --- hey maybe it's because am using Firefox, maybe i should try it on IE :)

edit: maybe this will get me more down-votes --- has anyone noticed how on the 'About Openness' menu, something pops up on hover but you can't click it --- PS: to notice this wonderful effect you have to use Firefox 31

yeah, am pretty sure this site is not just for show ;)

also the copyright year is 2013 - maybe they are serious after all

harshreality• 12 years ago

To be fair, their javascript mousewheel hackery breaks mousewheel scroll on all three major browsers. I guess they think people still click and drag scroll bars, so didn't run into the scroll wheel problem during cursory "testing".

There's another interesting bug, if you click on the thin part of the scroll bar, below the thick bar representing visible content, the bar centers on where you click. If you then click above the thick bar, the top of the bar moves to where you clicked, rather than centering on where you clicked. Apparently the developer(s) believe that consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds (either that or testing is).

On mobile (android), that scrolling section is disabled and all the content displays normally.

@dimitry it's not 1px, even in IE, when I view the page. They shouldn't have tried to make a custom scrollbar without more testing, but they evidently thought the stock scrollbar look didn't measure up to the grandeur of the rest of the microsoft openness page.

dmitrypopov2• 12 years ago

Shame that mouse wheel doesn't work, but you can click on the scrollbar (which is not obvious, because it looks like it's 1px wide). And I used IE. Makes me wonder why did they want a custom scrollbar in the first place.

usingpond• 12 years ago

Microsoft's web developers are pretty notoriously horrendous in both their approach and execution.

One common mistake across ALL Microsoft sites is not bothering to embed their fonts, or declare fallbacks. So it looks great on their boss' computer but everybody else gets goddamned Times New Roman.

wsh91• 12 years ago

"Microsoft has changed as a company and is becoming more open in the way that we collaborate with others."

Interesting that they lead with an apology.

erowtom2• 12 years ago

I was thinking the same thing

skrebbel3• 12 years ago

How is that an apology?

oliyoung2• 12 years ago

in that it's an admission that they're guilty of not being open and collaborative

elwell2• 12 years ago

It means Microsoft has decided that open source translates into higher adoption and a more successful business model.

scott_karana• 12 years ago

Is is bad if they're right? They're still doing good by open-sourcing. Plenty of people want to make money in OSS, too. :)

c54• 12 years ago

TypeScript is a nice start, hopefully we'll see this fill with several more Microsoft repos in the coming months.

rileyt• 12 years ago

All 11 people...

baq• 12 years ago

started with just one.

Asla• 12 years ago

Is git integrated into visual studio or something?

shearnie• 12 years ago

It has been for a while now.

stinos• 12 years ago

And before it was built-in there were plugins - should really mention 'git diff margin' here. Most editors have this kind of functionality to show little git diff stats directly in the editor, but this one is really top notch as it can actually show the diff and let you revert to or copy the original lines. Can't live without it anymore.

BorisMelnik• 12 years ago

I never thought I'd see the day where Microsoft is openly talking about open source.

jenscow3• 12 years ago

It's for publicity + out of desperation.

They have treated developers (like myself) badly over the years, many are moving away.

So they've released some throw-away products as open-source, on different project collaboration site to their own. While other larger members of the industry have had their core products open source for years.

sspiff• 12 years ago

I wonder if they'll be moving some of their other open (or shared) source projects to GitHub as well.

Most of them are on CodePlex today.

rat87• 12 years ago

Other Microsoft Github accounts(I think)

https://github.com/msopentech https://github.com/OfficeDev https://github.com/Azure

tphan• 12 years ago

There's also:

http://github.com/aspnet

julianz• 12 years ago

No longer within Microsoft, but it started there (and was their first open source project): https://github.com/wixtoolset/

jfurness• 12 years ago

Yammer is also part of Microsoft: https://github.com/yammer/

DrinkWater• 12 years ago

how ironic!

ethana• 12 years ago

Is it too much to ask for .NET to be opensourced and on github?

yarou• 12 years ago

Not sure why you were downvoted, but apparently, it is too much to ask.

lars• 12 years ago

Well, here's the source: http://referencesource.microsoft.com (under the MS reference license)

jenscow3• 12 years ago

That's not opensource.

(I know you know that, but I'm just saying)

Also, it provides nothing more than ilspy does (and ilspy shows the actual code on your machine)

rcarmo2• 12 years ago

vNext is, under a separate account: https://github.com/aspnet/Home

antr• 12 years ago

FWIW, I have the feeling that the best exit for Github is getting acquired by Microsoft. Github is a large, savvy, community, constantly sharing interesting and valuable projects. I think MSFT needs that public perspective of being 'open', valuable community, new technologies, etc. The enterprise side of Github also plays nice with MSFT.

ckaygusu• 12 years ago

Oh dear god no.

tonyedgecombe• 12 years ago

I don't think it would be a good cultural fit.

nicohvi• 12 years ago

I love how microsoft.github.io redirects to microsoft.com/openness which instantly brings back the feel of webdesign from the 90s. In my opinion they could've made a statement here, actually demonstrating by example that they're moving away from their previous corporate image, with a nice landing page, ala facebook react's github.io page.

mynameisvlad2• 12 years ago

I'd rather they focus their time on actual open source technologies and tools, as opposed to landing pages. In the end, the quality of the things they put out should be what is being judged, not some landing page.

Stately• 12 years ago

Yeah because everybody knows that if Microsoft lacks something is resources to build a static landing page.

nspattak• 12 years ago

Part of me is very excited to see such an advancement. The other part of me (the one that has been "beaten" by MS for so many years) just doesn't trust them. I would most certainly check their code but I would be extra-super careful before using their code! I would consider even using an anonymous or home account to login github and download their source!

WorldWideWayne• 12 years ago

What part of you has been "beaten" by MS for so many years and how?

cies• 12 years ago

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- M. Gandhi[1]

[1]: Disputed, as discussed here http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahatma_Gandhi#Disputed

fibo• 12 years ago

Microsoft and also IBM now feel sorry about their wrong behaviour, but it is really ridicolous that they say in the TypeScript project "if you want to help us, go to GitHub" ... come on, they have a lot of money and they ask help? Hiring people would be smarter! I went to an IBM meeting talking with the IBM Cloud Leader in Italy and all that hi profile people. All of them use Firefox (no one uses Chrome), did they sponsor Firefox? It seems they are a poor company that now need help.

Shame on you Microsoft and IBM!

dspillett2• 12 years ago

come on, they have a lot of money and they ask help?

They are not going to be able to buy community buy-in that they want, no matter who they hire and what other money they throw around.

Asking the wider populous for their input early (assuming the filtering and acknowledging of that input is done right, and they continue to "play nice" once they've got what they want) is a good thing for both them and the end user: they'll more likely be able to release something right earlier (rather than everyone hating it until version 3).

did they sponsor Firefox?

I'm going to have to ask you to explain the IBM connection here as I'm just not seeing a logical link between these statements and your point about Microsoft. How is IBM people preferring to use Firefox instead of something else? I wan't aware that IBM had any particular axe to grind in the current browser game.

rcarmo2• 12 years ago

It's probably just an IT thing. Many companies opted to deploy Firefox internally as an alternative to IE because it played well with their software management tools (as opposed to Chrome, which only got centralized version management later). In IT/helpdesk settings, you want to know what specific browser version your users are running to ensure intranet apps are compatible.

Because, you know, legacy. Anyone who's used Siebel, Oracle intranet apps, etc. knows what it's like.

seanmcdirmid• 12 years ago

59 karma points, 5 hours old, in the middle of the night USA time, and...on the third page?

Is someone flagging this as off topic?

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