We must ensure ISPs don't stop the next Google getting out of the garage

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/may/19/we-must-ensure-google-garage

by ph0rque • 17 years ago

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russell• 17 years ago

Corey Doctorow has a thoughtful article on how ISP's are trying to limit internet access for their own benefit. (The title is a little over the top.) Some of these things happen in the US, but seem to be stomped on by the FCC and public opinion. The rest of the world, including the UK and Europe, governments are abandoning the citizens and getting in bed with the ISP's. Corey makes the point that telcos owe us net-neutral access because they are granted a monopoly to lay the wires.

I read a couple of UK nonpolitical blogs, and I find astounding the willingness to compromise what we in the US consider basic rights, like freedom of speech or unfettered telecommunications. I dont like a world with the worst of US IP policy and European speech, privacy and communications policy.

aminuit3• 17 years ago

The issue of metered billing has been criticized here and in other places. It makes for a pretty popular punching bag, but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it as a non-issue. The ISPs have to manage oversubscription rates. It's a real problem. Total throughput is fixed at various points along the network, and there are going to be times when the demand outstrips the available capacity.

So what should the ISPs do? Time Warner's recent foray into metered billing was obviously moronic. Customers shouldn't be penalized beyond their monthly payment for usage. Their plan also didn't do anything to reduce congestion during peak traffic hours.

I think the onus should be on the ISP to make sure that they can actually deliver the rates that they are advertising, which are clearly far too high. The customer shouldn't get screwed just because the ISP can't manage the oversubscription rate that it wishfully dreamt up.

In this scenario, advertised rates would have to drop substantially, but it means that the customer, not the big media partner, decides on his own quality of service.

This is basically how it has worked for business class circuits for all of eternity. I guess I don't understand why they can't apply the same pricing model to ordinary consumers.

graemep• 17 years ago

I see nothing wrong with metered billing - and it certainly far preferable to ISPs doing deals with favoured partners. Even better, pricing could vary with price of day. There are (or, at least, were) electricity tariffs in the UK that offered low rates for a few hours at night.

ph0rque• 17 years ago

If this happened, bittorent clients could get an automatic throttling feature built in to minimize downloading/uploading during peak hours, and maximize during off-hours.

quoderat2• 17 years ago

"I think the onus should be on the ISP to make sure that they can actually deliver the rates that they are advertising, which are clearly far too high."

You can get a 100Mbs connection in Sweden for $11 a month. Or I can rent a server with 1TB per month of transfer for $60 a month.

Should be a clue to you that the ISPs are lying. And before anyone brings up the old canard about "last mile, blah blah," the marginal cost of a new subsriber is about $25-$30 a month.

Amazing to me how some people love to justify their own getting ripped off.

pert• 17 years ago

The problem for most ISPs, in the UK at least, is not the last mile but actually the last hundred miles. We have one Telecom monopoly: BT and one cable monopoly Virgin Media.

I agree with you that costs to Virgin Media should be quite low, as they own all of their infrastructure and most of it has been in place for 20 years or more.

The problem for the ADSL ISPs in the UK is BT. There are some IPSs which have installed their own equipment in BT's telephone exchanges and hence only pay BT for use of the 'last mile', but most of the ISPs in this country have to pay BT for not only the 'last mile', but also for the hundred or so miles before that. BT charges the ISPs based on how much bandwidth they consume, so for the majority of Internet users in the UK, the amount of bandwidth they consume is an important cost to their ISP.

nazgulnarsil• 17 years ago

um...the main problem is that ISP's are flat out lying about infrastructure costs to make their money grab seem more legitimate.

We must ensure ISPs don't stop the next Google getting out of the garage

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