Users of hidden net advised to ditch Windows

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23587620

by timetraveler • 13 years ago

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computer3• 13 years ago

That [title] is a weird thing to take as main message from that advisory. The Firefox exploit that was used would have worked on Linux just as well; it was simply only targeted at Windows this time.

I agree that switching away from Windows is generally a good idea, but only a hardware-based router, or a software based VM isolation solution like Whonix or Qubes OS would have defended the user in this case. Even Tails, the Tor live USB distribution could have gotten owned by this exploit, had the NSA/FBI/hackers chosen to target them.

rmrfrmrf• 13 years ago

I was surprised that Windows was the target OS -- I had figured that most Tor users were using Tails at this point. I'm sure that whoever targeted the user group they meant to capture, though, had a good idea of their general usage patterns.

Wouldn't disabling JavaScript have also prevented this exploit? I don't know if FireFox still runs JavaScript through an interpreter if the user has disabled it; I'd assume not, but it wouldn't come as a shock to me if it did.

computer3• 13 years ago

Disabling javascript would have prevented the exploit. The Tor browser bundle contains NoScript, but has it set to allow javascript by default. I think this is because it makes it more accessible to non-technical users.

Before this issue they even advised _not_ to disable javascript, since that would make you stand out more amongst Tor users.

marcosdumay• 13 years ago

I was surprized that the NSA/FBI/whatever-3-other-letters had to use an exploit to gather that data from Windows users.

quantumpotato_• 13 years ago

You might have high security. The average TOR user probably doesn't.

Torgo2• 13 years ago

Consumers of child pornography are probably inclined to save the images. TAILS would be a lot more invconvenient since it doesn't save anything. With TBB you can save things you download to your desktop. Combine this with Windows being a dominant platform.

I guess you could do this with TAILS and a usb stick though.

doctorfoo• 13 years ago

How exactly does a hardware based router help? Is the idea that TOR is running on separate hardware, and despite the local system being compromised, the attacker can't "phone out" to find the real IP address?

wfn• 13 years ago

I think that's the idea. All connections would be routed via Tor. Additionally, the local system wouldn't know the external IP address (would only know the eventual Tor exiting IP address.)

It's possible to virtualize Tor (without running a dedicated router) so that it, too, doesn't know the external IP address. You can do this, as an example, in FreeBSD jails, and instruct the firewall to NAT all connections from/to the jail in which Tor is running. Of course, having a dedicated hardware router running Tor is even safer.

jlgaddis3• 13 years ago

Yes, exactly. Using a separate router it's possible to transparently force all traffic through the Tor network.

Torgo2• 13 years ago

Does the Qubes Tor container egress filter non-Tor traffic? If it does not, it would still be susceptible to a linux-specific version of this same attack.

conexions• 13 years ago

The actual Tor Security advisory. https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-announce/2013-Aug...

negativity• 13 years ago

Does this mean that Linux, and other Unix variants (but not Mac OS of course, because Apple plays ball), will be classified as a "Hacker Tool" in the eyes of the law?

sobkas• 13 years ago

In the "eyes of the law" wget is a "Hacker Tool".

aclevernickname3• 13 years ago

Why hasn't anyone made the case that "Hacker Tools" are simply arms, covered under the 2nd Amendment?

pessimizer2• 13 years ago

Anything without a well-regulated "app store" will be classified as a hacker tool in the eyes of the law.

aclevernickname3• 13 years ago

So Ubuntu/Arch/Fedora are safe, because of their respective package management GUI's?

I'll take a liberal, CATO-Institute-on-2nd-amendment stance on the concept of what is considered "Well-Regulated" in the eyes of the Law [1].

[1] http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

shmerl• 13 years ago

Windows should be ditched by any user who cares about privacy. This has nothing to do with Tor specifically.

Users of hidden net advised to ditch Windows

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