Ask YC: What would the salary range be for programmers?

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by donna • 19 years ago

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What would the salary range be for programmers (LAMP platform), to be hired by a S.F. startup?

What amount of equity (if any) would be included in the job offer?

Other than salary.com, what websites have this sort of information?

palish3• 19 years ago

1) Whatever you feel you're worth.

2) Whatever you feel you're worth.

The limiting factor in your compensation is usually your own reluctance to ask for "way too much".

timr3• 19 years ago

That's true for consultants; it doesn't hold if you're a full-time employee. For employee salaries, the limiting factor is still what the boss is willing to pay.

There's been a lot of noise about consultant hourly rates, lately. But make no mistake: consultants make more in large part because they have to cover their own costs (insurance, employment taxes, SSI, etc.) The true cost of a full-time employee is significantly higher than their salary.

palish3• 19 years ago

In my very limited experience, it seems to hold true for full-time employees as well. You simply have to be willing to leave if they aren't willing to pay you what you want. You're a lot more valuable to them than they are to you.

All I meant was what the boss is willing to pay you is often higher than you might think.. And perhaps even higher than he might think :)

DanielBMarkham• 19 years ago

Need a little more information. Is this a startup without any programmers who is looking for an integrated team member? Or is there already a lot of technical people on staff and you're just looking to offload some of the work?

It makes a big difference.

timr3• 19 years ago

payscale.com

davidw• 19 years ago

I always find those sites to be annoying. I bet making a better one would make for a good startup. How, I don't know, that's up to whoever takes on the problem to figure out.

pg• 19 years ago

For the very earliest employees in a startup, you should pay little more than living expenses in salary, because you only want people who want mostly equity. How much equity to give them is always a negotiation.

The underlying principles are described here: http://paulgraham.com/equity.html

donna2• 19 years ago

thanks pg ;-D

jemroc• 19 years ago

That was an excellent article, I think. I was following along up until the 1.5 multiplier, 50% "profit", 11.1% "retail" price part. I have no idea where those numbers came from. Will someone please enlighten me?

gml• 19 years ago

forget it, you'll never be satisfied, just start your own company and set the price as low as you can for other people.

jdavid• 19 years ago

In the Midwest in dollars per hour, newbs bill for 30-35 per hour. junior programers 35-55 senior 50-80 niche jr 50-85 niche sr 85-150 enterprise niche 100-250

donna2• 19 years ago

thanks!

ardit33• 19 years ago

80,000 to 120,000 depending on experience.

Anything less, and you are getting screwed. Anything more, and you are actually good either technically. or at negotiation.

Don't sell yourself for little thou. You have all the power of negotiation BEFORE joining the company. After that, it will be very hard to get any big raises.

The other thing, is to consider equity. Are you joining as just an employee of as a early starter employee that will creat their technology backbone.

wlievens• 19 years ago

Wow those numbers are bizarre compared to what I see in Belgium. Programmer jobs don't make much more than average other jobs here actually.

Junior programmers get paid around 25000 EUR per year (before taxes) - that equates to 35000 USD.

Ask YC: What would the salary range be for programmers?

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