The interspecies internet? An idea in progress [video]

http://www.ted.com/talks/the_interspecies_internet_an_idea_in_progress.html

by rootj • 13 years ago

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moreentropy• 13 years ago

Tell that to my ISP. :(

ksec2• 13 years ago

I wish some of the biggest country should mandate all router and ISP to have IPv6 by 201x.

Otherwise we are just not getting anywhere.

Osiris• 13 years ago

I just signed up for Comcast (I know...) and I'm getting assigned an IPv6 /64 block. It took a little tweaking in my Tomato router settings but now all my devices are getting native IPv6 addresses, so I'm basically running dual stack now.

It would be really interesting if my router was capable of tracking the percentage of traffic that's IPv6 vs. IPv4.

glhaynes• 13 years ago

Are we really not getting anywhere? (Serious question, not something I know much about.) Is there anywhere that significant progress is being made in IPv6 usage? If so, is it isolated to particular kinds/parts of networks?

zaphoyd2• 13 years ago

Yes, progress is being made. Software, network backbone, and data center support is all pretty good now. Last mile access and content are the main areas now where you can't expect support by default.

Many of the largest content providers (Google, Facebook, Wikipedia, YouTube, Netflix, iTunes, CloudFlare, Limelight, Akamai, 40% of the US government) have deployed IPv6 in production. Many of the largest ISPs have as well (In the US: Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, T-Mobile, Google Fiber).

ksec2• 13 years ago

Backbone, or anything non consumer end, are pretty much done or will be done soon. Especially with the massive growth of Mobile devices.

The problem is the last mile. User End. With Super Outdated Software and Router that dont support IPv6.

wmf• 13 years ago

Japan had a huge national initiative for IPv6, but in retrospect I don't see how they benefited from it. Same with the US government.

dgallagher• 13 years ago

I've always found it difficult to communicate IPv6 addresses over the telephone, or type them in manually, when compared to IPv4. IPv6 does have abbreviation built in, but "2001:db8::ff00:42:8329" ("2001:0db8:0000:0000:0000:ff00:0042:8329") is still much more difficult to use than, say, 69.135.54.4.

Has anyone created an easier way to communicate IPv6 addresses, or is this something we'll have to learn to live with?

hebz0rl• 13 years ago

That's what DNS is for.

geocar• 13 years ago

I use pastebin to save the IP address and just read off the URL.

baudehlo• 13 years ago

JGC had an article on pronounceable IPv6 addresses somewhere but I can't find it now. Maybe you'll have better luck with google than I did (or he'll probably read this and link it).

dmoney• 13 years ago

This more about non-human intelligence than about IPv6. I was hoping Cerf would go into why IPv6 is better for the "internet of things" or "interspecies Internet" than IPv4. Also, maybe an explanation in layman's terms why IPv4 won't scale further, even with the workarounds that are currently in use.

devonnulled• 13 years ago

Hey there. I work at ARIN. An explanation of why IPv4 won't scale any further: (Please note that any opinions expressed here are my own and not of my employer)

Of course, we have a currently limited amount of IP addresses that can be given out. When IANA/RIRs were formed, IANA gave allocations of /8's (the largest groups of IPv4 addresses) out to all of the RIRs, who then assigned them to organizations within their respective areas. (For example, APNIC - Asia Pacific, AFRINIC - Africa, ARIN - North America) The problem now is that we are simply running out of addresses with the current number of internet connected devices.

Now, we resolve this within our own homes by using routers that support NAT (Network Address Translation) which is fine for our own local sites. However, a large amount of ISPs want to enable something called CGN (Carrier-grade NAT) which will take what happens on your own local router and blanket it over their entire network. This is where a large group of customers (including you) would have one single (or a handful) of IPv4 addresses that represent you on the public internet, but each site/home/office would have its own internal IP address to that ISP's network. Most cell phone providers actually already do this (although I'm not sure if we can call it CGN) where your phone has a Class C IP address assigned to it when you connect to the network, but all traffic goes through a single IP address.

Now there are problems to this:

1. It is hard to track who is doing what. If a customer of an ISP performs some sort of illegal action (bomb threats, hacking, etc use your imagination here. ;) ) It is hard to track down who is exactly doing what without your ISP simply logging all requests that you make. Instead in the current form, your ISP can be simply asked "Hey, who had this IPv4 address at this time?" instead of "Hey, what sites was this person looking at?"

2. Let's say that you were a member of some sort of forum or new site (take HN or reddit for example) and someone sharing your IPv4 address did something that caused that IP address to be banned. Now, you cannot access the site. This allows your access to the internet to be dependent upon whoever else is using that same address. Of course, this can (and has happened) already by sites blocking entire subnets (a lot of IRC networks do this for overseas networks that usually harbor abuse.)

3. It simply becomes confusing security-wise. Take into consideration that you had a VPS or server with a provider like Digital Ocean or Linode. You set up a firewall on that server to allow only your IP address in. Now, you've allowed everyone else sharing that same IP address to access your server if they knew the credentials.

With IPv6, we have more addresses than there are grains of sand on Earth (as the saying goes.) We also said that we'd never run out of IP addresses with IPv4, but the growth of the Internet was seriously underestimated!

Some ISPs will run dual-stack (I believe Comcast does now) where all users now have IPv4 and IPv6 addresses!

chatmasta• 13 years ago

How do you think the move to IPv6 will affect the VPN market?

StephenFalken• 13 years ago

AMS-IX IPv6 Traffic Statistics: https://www.ams-ix.net/technical/statistics/sflow-stats/ipv6...

AndrewDucker• 13 years ago

And Google's: http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html

We seem to be doubling yearly, which means we'll hit 50% in about 2018.

zaphoyd2• 13 years ago

More measurements, including ISP level traffic levels:

http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/

The interspecies internet? An idea in progress [video]

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