No, OkCupid, we don't want to "talk"

http://jmtame.posthaven.com/no-okcupid-we-dont-want-to-talk

by jfong • 13 years ago

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scarmig3• 13 years ago

tldr Engineer from OkC invites company founder to coffee to chat about online dating, founder picks fight for page views

Connaissance3• 13 years ago

Ahah...pretty much.

radiusq• 13 years ago

Add to that Engineer thinks an invite to talk from OkC is an indicator of acquisition interest. Please.

SilentStump3• 13 years ago

I will stake my reputation that the girl two up from the bottom left corner of blendr is "Good Girl Gina," but the image is flipped or something. For most of the dating apps it's pretty obvious how many accounts are fake.

EvanKelly3• 13 years ago

That screenshot looks like it's full of professional photos. Either I need to get some better headshots or that's a mock-up made by Blendr.

scarmig3• 13 years ago

You do need some better headshots most likely, but that's because any given person on OkCupid likely has terrible, terrible profile pictures.

Good resolution, good lighting, and bright colors. Fixing that can immediately significantly improve response rates (or give a response rate, as the case may be).

InternalRun• 13 years ago

That was my exact reaction when I looked at that photo.

Connaissance3• 13 years ago

If you guys are talking about the pic in his post, that's not the author, that's the actual Elon Musk.

http://media.aerosociety.com/aerospace-insight/2012/11/23/vi...

thwest• 13 years ago

Is any serious scammer going to be deterred by needing to obtain a facebook account with 50 friends?

lnanek2• 13 years ago

Meh, it's a numbers thing. If they go from 99% fakes like many sites to 50% fakes, it is still the difference between a useless site and useful site.

I use AdultFriendFinder myself, and if I only go by profiles and messages and MSN/Yahoo/etc. chat, then it's easy to get 50 out of 50 girls in a week not actually be willing to meet and only be after getting me to register on a site for their kickback.

I've never been asked to do that on AFF's internal chat/webcam option, however. So even though profiles and messages and mainstream chat are a heck of a lot easier, I never do them any more. If a site can cut out the spam accounts, they could have that easier service in a workable form.

mbetter• 13 years ago

Wow, I love how casually you exclude about half of the world from your little site.

el_cuadrado• 13 years ago

What is the point of responding to a casual HN comment with a blog post, besides PR opportunity?

alxbrun2• 13 years ago

PR opportunity.

Connaissance3• 13 years ago

Honestly this felt like a very arrogant post. OKCupid may not be perfect, but it's far and away the best site out there, and loved by most of its users.

Furthermore the founder wasn't a dick to you in his comment. So all in all, I'm not sure trashtalking him/OKC is going to help you.

EvanKelly3• 13 years ago

I think OP could have used some "BloggingWithFriends". Maybe his friends could have helped proofread and tone down the perceived arrogance.

Notice how PG always thanks his proofreaders, even for seemingly short and pointed blog posts.

pimeys• 13 years ago

Are they trying to get some bigger company to buy them? Facebook and Twitter are a bit scary already having so much data about everybody. Even though I'm pretty open how and who I date, it still feels more comfortable to keep it in my circle of friends and family.

Although I see the potential for this.

SilentStump3• 13 years ago

Well, if you take him for his word, he said he doesn't want to be bought out.

alxbrun2• 13 years ago

"Why do you think OkCupid messages exist? It's not actually for 'connecting', because who's on there looking for a penpal? "

My friend, to start with you should learn a little bit about women psychology...

Online dating != Picking up items in an online store

runT1ME• 13 years ago

What fascinates me about the online dating market is that the optimal user experience is indirectly proportional to a customer's lifetime revenue in any site that is ad based or subscription based.

If a company was purely motivated by profit, I imagine that some clever use of ML would reveal an optimal ($ wise) timeframe for matching a user with their eventual mate (assuming their matching algorithm was perfect), and it wouldn't be 'as soon as possible'.

Too soon and you're missing valuable revenue, too late and the user gets frustrated and quits. Do companies do this? Probably not. As matching algorithms become more advanced and more people use online dating though...

goodside• 13 years ago

Nobody at OkCupid thinks like this. We want people to enjoy the site so they're inclined to pay for premium membership, which they won't do if it sucks. We want people to return to the site if they're single in the future, and to recommend it to their single friends. Optimizing for ad impressions over user experience isn't a road we want to go down.

gonehome• 13 years ago

This reminds me of a conversation Larry and Sergey had when they had first come up with page rank and were trying to sell it to existing search engines.

The companies complained that their algorithm was too good and that users would leave the search portal too quickly without seeing any advertising.

It was obvious to Page and Brin that this was stupid - pushing them to start Google.

draftable• 13 years ago

Wow. I was iffy on the OP to begin with after he basically proclaimed that he had reinvented online dating by essentially cloning www.mysinglefriend.com, and this just confirms it.

This whole post smacks of arrogance. Essentially you want us to pat you on the back for giving a big, public “F you” to a competitor because you ASSUME that him wanting to chat means they want to acquire you? If this is how you act in casual online encounters then I’m starting to understand why online dating hasn’t worked out for you.

scarmig3• 13 years ago

Well, online dating really is a gigantic clusterfuck. I'm not in the market (found my partner, of three years, on OkC), but I despised the process while I was doing it.

I read the initial post and thread about it and was skeptical, but my thought was mostly along the lines of "go for it! There must be a way to significantly improve online dating, and I certainly don't have any better ideas."

Now I just think he's a dick, though, and emotionally root for his failure. Why the hell be nasty to someone for no reason except free PR?

spizzo• 13 years ago

It's very hard for someone to know they're acting in a creepy or inappropriate way, so people blame the tools they're using very often. Also the founder here probably feels it's a great disadvantage to them to give any credit to okcupid.

Frankly the post confused me at first because when I used okcupid a year or two ago I found it to be easily the best tool available for what it does, and the post claimed there was a consensus that okcupid was terrible.

intellegacy• 13 years ago

Anyone interested in building an alternative to cupidwithfriends?

Email me.

unfed• 13 years ago

33.000 members in 4 days. Seems legit.

leephillips• 13 years ago

I stopped after one screen. It was completely incoherent. Do you have to be following this person's recent life story to know what this is supposed to be about?

No, OkCupid, we don't want to "talk"

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