Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/windows-8s-flash-whitelist-goes-black-turns-on-flash-almost-everywhere/

by shawndumas • 13 years ago

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ghshephard• 13 years ago

Probably the saddest news I've heard all day. This gives web/application/browser developers yet another excuse not to move HTML standards forward to capture the flash functionality.

I was honestly hoping that Microsoft would have put a stake in the ground regarding flash, and not carried it into their RT platform at the very least.

camus2• 13 years ago

read the effen post : http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2013/03/11/flash-in-windo... Adobe added substancial improvements to the flash player and it will be embedded directly in Internet explorer , like Chrome does.

    For Windows 8, we worked with Adobe to include 
    a version of Flash that is optimized for touch
    , performance, security, reliability, and battery life.

Ensorceled• 13 years ago

Did you reply to the right comment? This is seems to completely miss the point they were making ...

eridius• 13 years ago

Adobe promised that a well-performing Flash on mobile devices would be coming any day now, for several years. It never materialized. Forgive me if I don't believe that they've finally solved it for Windows 8 tablets.

melling• 13 years ago

Not so sure about that. I think iOS and Google have over 90% market share in mobile.

Samuel_Michon• 13 years ago

I think you meant 'iOS and Android'. Google's phones have very little market share.

goggles99• 13 years ago

Perhaps it will create further competition for HTML5 so it will get up off it's ass and innovate. You could do everything that html5 promises in Flash 8 years ago. Never should it be accepted that a technology should win simply because it is an open standard (whatever that really means).

camus2• 13 years ago

Great news , i can go back developping real apps with ASWING and not bother with sh*tty javascript anymore. Who cares if it doesnt work on ipad... i'll give the ipad folks a tuned down experience, that's all.

vxNsr• 13 years ago

I guess this was inevitable, flash is too prevalent to completely block from a device that is being marketed as a laptop and it's not fair to selectively whitelist only some websites, so this was gonna happen eventually.

randomfool• 13 years ago

Another effect of Sinofsky's departure from Microsoft.

This was the topic of a very heated debate internally 4 years ago, allowing the whitelist itself was a massive cave-in by Sinofsky who had set a fairly hard line against all plugins.

I'm hoping all of the jaded Windows decision makers who so adamantly wanted to ban Flash have been sufficiently spanked.

That said, I do wonder how well Flash will work on 7" tablets or even phones. Flash waved the white flag long ago on Android and Microsoft most likely will not support Flash across their entire OS line.

opayen• 13 years ago

Flash is not available on Windows Phone.

UnoriginalGuy• 13 years ago

Nor Android (discontinued) or iOS (never existed).

nivla• 13 years ago

As much as I want to be on the ditch Flash bandwagon, I can't. Reality hits hard, trivial things that gets done using Flash is impossible or requires a lot of workarounds when implemented in pure html/javascript.

A few weeks back I was looking for a Javascript or HTML5 implementation for those bitly style "copy URL to clipboard" function. It just doesn't exist without flash (except in older versions of IE)! There are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but not for pasting to it and I thought the former was more of a security issue.

Another thing I noticed is a smooth flash animation on my low powered Netbook looks like a jitter mess when implemented in canvas.

Until these issues are resolved, sadly flash isn't going anywhere soon.

nwh• 13 years ago

> here are --webkit only implementations for grabbing things from a clipboard but

Seriously‽ That's crazy insecure, though I can't find any more information about it.

masklinn2• 13 years ago

Generally in "HTML5", these interactions are only allowed during user-triggered clipboard events e.g. the developer can intercept a "paste" event and grab data from the clipboard (in order to try and get it under a different format or somesuch).

afhof• 13 years ago

We're spoiled with Flash's mature functionality. HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash. HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do. I always imagine what it would be like to try and convert a website thats is made up of almost all flash like Newgrounds over to HTML5. Until there is an easy conversion path, flash will live on.

TazeTSchnitzel2• 13 years ago

> HTML5 also lacks a good way to package a lot of files together into a single one like .sfw's do

What? Data URIs, style and script tags.

huskyr• 13 years ago

  > HTML5 video and audio are still too early in their life cycles to supplant flash.

What are you missing? I've been working with HTML5 video/audio for a few years and features are on par now with Flash on all major browsers. It's a pity Firefox doesn't support H264/MP3, but that will change in the near future.

shanelja• 13 years ago

I'm not a big fan of Flash, but one thing which sticks out to me and tells me that Flash will still be around for a long time is pornography.

It might sound fairly ridiculous but one of the largest content and viewing blocks on the internet is porn [1] and what are most of these sites using? Flash players. it only takes a quick glance at some of the more popular google ranked websites (and the majority of people without a favourite site tend to just google their fetish of choice) to see how prevalent flash is in the industry: WARNING NSFW. [2] pornhub, [3] youjizz, [4] redtube, etc, and they all use Flash, every single one of them.

There may be a couple of fledgling HTML5 sites out there, but until porn ditches Flash for good, it isn't going anywhere.

[1] http://onlinemba.com/images/internet-porn.jpg [2] - http://www.pornhub.com [3] - http://youjizz.com [4] - http://redtube.com

benologist3• 13 years ago

I think Ars just won the link bait title of the year.

joenathan3• 13 years ago

How is that title link bait?

benologist3• 13 years ago

Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black [1], turns on [2] Flash almost everywhere

[1] did they just blacklist all Flash?

[2] another way of saying betrayed, attacked, etc

joenathan3• 13 years ago

Tangentially relevant, I wouldn't go near IE10 on the desktop, my Bowser of choice is Firefox there, but for touch IE10 is amazing. Swiping left or right brings you back or forward, being chrome-less and swiping down or up to bring up the chrome works wonderfully, I find myself trying to swipe left or right on my Android phone and feeling aggravated at the inconvenience of lack of gesture control.

column• 13 years ago

Use dolphin browser, it lets you set custom gesture controls

lucb1e• 13 years ago

I'm so glad I got Android and run Linux at home. Flash is nice to have for many websites that otherwise would lack functionality or simply don't work. Not installing it by default is one thing, but banning it is another.

syko• 13 years ago

Call me paranoid, but this looks like a good tactic to spread the maximum amount of Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt into the already-collapsing Flash community while still keeping support for the platform.

Reminds me of the OpenGL vs DirectX wars. (not implying the situation is similar in any way, only the FUD tactic :) )

http://blog.wolfire.com/2010/01/Why-you-should-use-OpenGL-an...

fpgeek• 13 years ago

This doesn't seem like a big deal. Outside of Windows RT, Flash on the desktop (including the Windows 8 desktop) has been unrestricted the whole time. So this only affects Windows RT users and people using the formerly-called-Metro version of IE. I don't think there are many of those, so other than the symbolism of the "future of Windows" moving back towards Flash, I don't see how this has much impact.

j_s• 13 years ago

So now what happens to Silverlight? What a mess.

Windows 8’s Flash whitelist goes black, turns on Flash almost everywhere

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