How to Follow a Drummer

https://drummate.app/blog/how-to-follow-a-drummer

by sashyo • 17 days ago

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sashyo2• 17 days ago

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Slow_Hand4• 13 days ago

Very cool! Thanks for sharing.

SCPlayz70003• 13 days ago

It was a good read. Thank you for your time.

wrs• 13 days ago

I’m curious if you compared this against Ableton’s “Tempo Follower” and had any algorithmic (or subjective) observations.

sashyo2• 10 days ago

i've heard of it but never actually used it, so i can't really compare properly.

my inspiration was actually this jojo mayer video: https://youtu.be/URkxEAvavhw?t=248

My drummer half thought it would be fun so we decided to create DrumMate, and it ended up too good not to share.

Thraway198• 13 days ago

You do sound a lot like an LLM lol

dang• 13 days ago

Can you please not post AI-generated or AI-edited comments to HN? It's not allowed here - see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079.

Of course, it's impossible to know for sure what was LLM processed or not, but some of your posts (like this one) have been getting classified that way.

stavros3• 13 days ago

Am I weird for not wanting to read Claude-generated text any more? I tried to figure out what this app is about, but all the Claude verbal tics in the text turned me off and I stopped.

fourside• 13 days ago

I’m on the same boat. I get why people do it. Writing prose is significantly slower than consuming it, but there’s still a part of me that thinks “if you didn’t think writing was a good use of your time, why would reading this content be a use of mine”. I don’t mind AI-assisted writing but it’s hard to know to how much human editing was involved when the text shows so many AI tells. Almost by definition, AI writing is average it’s hard to justify spending the time when there’s so much content out there.

multjoy• 13 days ago

“You didn’t write it, why should I read it?”

Seems like a perfectly reasonable stance.

Slow_Hand4• 13 days ago

Not once did this pop on my radar as AI-generated. And if it is that’s fine, because it reads extremely clear and coherent to me.

Larger point: I am so sick of HN comment sections filling up with obligatory comments speculating about whether a post is AI-written.

At this point I don’t care. People now write with AI. If the writing is deficient in some way, then comment on that. At least that way the “writer” can steer the writing towards greater coherence.

forsalebypwner• 13 days ago

It's easy to tell imo in part because of how terse the sentences are:

`Obvious in hindsight.`

`The clock never jumps.`

`No lookahead, no undo.`

`A real kick pattern is not a clock.`

Larger point: I am so sick of HN comment sections filling up with obligatory comments speculating about whether a post is AI-written.

Gotta disagree wholeheartedly with that - using AI to write for you is really fucking annoying as a reader. It screams to me that the "author" feels the reader's time is worthless, and it homogenizes language in a way that is troubling to say the least.

izacus• 13 days ago

If someone keeps serving feces, the right response isn't to complain about them complaining about having to eat crap.

jerkstate• 13 days ago

It’s definitely got AI tells, and I understand the objection - it’s hard to tell the difference between slop (written without review or direction, meant to fill space or present a simulacra of information) and actual informational content. With this article, it was clear that the author wanted to describe what problems they had and how they overcame those problems, and it was concise and I could tell it was reviewed so the content seemed trustworthy to me. I understand that some people have pretty high standards - if you don’t have the time to type out all of the code yourself one character at a time, then write stylish, interesting prose about it one letter at a time, if all you want to do is solve interesting problems and communicate how you solved them, you should shut up until you get good. Me, I am also imperfect and lazy, so I don’t care to demand style points or demonstrations of perspicacity from others.

Thanks for posting this, OP, I thought it was interesting.

telxosis• 13 days ago

It has become an even more pernicious form of the old grammar nazi.

At least the grammar nazi was performing a type of service.

The LLM nazi is adding absolutely nothing.

gumby271• 13 days ago

Division is free, multiplication is prediction

I'm so tired

tzs• 13 days ago

As someone who has never used LLMs to write text, so am not familiar with the specific stylistic choices that any particular LLM likes, nothing in there seemed out of the ordinary for decent human writing.

Are you sure what caused you problems was LLM style rather than all the specialized music terminology?

stavros3• 13 days ago

I'm very sure, even the first two paragraphs reek of LLM. It's the style, not the content.

plorkyeran• 13 days ago

My eyes glaze over pretty much immediately and I just close the tab no matter how interesting the subject of the writing sounded like it was going to be.

noman-land• 13 days ago

This style gets an instant ignore from me.

ofalkaed2• 13 days ago

Am I weird for not wanting to see this same discussion and variations of it in most every thread including in ones that it has no place? I don't see it having any effect on the trend which only seems to be increasing, but I do see an effect on the quality of the discussion.

stavros3• 13 days ago

I'll keep saying it until people understand how immediately recognisable and offputting stock LLM writing is.

I do agree with the sibling commenters, if writing this wasn't a good enough use of your time, why would reading it be a good use of mine? Just paste me the bullet points and I'll read those.

efitz• 13 days ago

I am not a musician but found this fascinating. Thank you for posting.

SubiculumCode• 13 days ago

thank you.

SCPlayz70003• 13 days ago

I feel like this is AI generated. Is this AI generated?

SCPlayz70003• 12 days ago

Sorry for my rude comment.

texasexile• 13 days ago

This is why most modern music is played with a click track.

Slow_Hand4• 13 days ago

It's not. You're putting the cart before the horse (or attributing the horse to the cart?).

Contemporary music began using a click track because it makes techniques like sequencing, non-linear editing in a DAW, and tempo-synced effects far easier to incorporate. Click tracks and rock-solid tempo are also an aesthetic choice.

It's far more difficult to sync these techniques to a wavering tempo, so the trend has been for bands and records to conform to the click as the central authority for the pulse in order to unlock the benefits of the above-mentioned techniques.

The author's product allows users to slave the click track to the drummer's playing (which may now waver). This opens the door to real-time tempo-following by the click. The band can now push/pull the tempo AND use all of cool synchronized techniques in real time.

josefritzishere• 13 days ago

As an actual drummer, who has done studio work... this is not what it feels like at all.

uhoh-itsmaciek• 13 days ago

Could you elaborate?

doublerebel• 13 days ago

The main LLM tell -- both from the instructor/prompt side and the model side -- is:

a) how much of the text describes the solutioning, vs

b) text that describes the actual problem and real world cases where this was an issue (One anecdote from the author??)

As a lifelong drummer, programmer, and music producer -- following a drummer across varying tempo isn't a real problem. Any good drummer who is being relied upon to conduct the tempo will be well-trained enough to hold the tempo. Any great drummer who uses polyrhythms will keep accurate tempo regardless of the subdivisions of the beat -- otherwise the subdivisions would not land in place or sound correct. For songs that have intentional tempo variance, solutions already exist.

An app for a virtual band to follow a drummer who can't hold tempo... is a toy for amateur drummers who want to be the lead. Lead drummers are rare (Don Henley, Phil Collins, Bruno Mars, Anderson Paak) but they all know how to nail a tempo. And any good drummer plays with syncopation and time signatures far beyond what this toy tempo estimating app can deduce.

DJ/production software (Serato, Ableton) has industry-leading tempo estimation which still only reaches 1/10th of a bpm, which is ~3-10x fatter [0] than what the human ear and good drummers can hold time to [1]. There is no way that this app beats Serato, Ableton, and gets anywhere near to 6ms of human accuracy (transients etc make this hard... I have worked on BPM software).

[0] 0.1 bpm at 120 bpm = 50ms

[1] Typically ~6-10ms, see e.g. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/309706298_Effect_of...

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