Show HN: A community for designers to hone their skills, critique and share work

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4878356

by azilnik • 14 years ago

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Basically, we created a feedback platform, and launched it as a tool to allow designers to crowdsource feedback from other designers. The idea is that this tool would allow designers to improve, share knowledge, learn new skills, and consistently deliver their best work.

There's a lot that still needs to get done, including making money, letting posts die out after a certain time, and making the site faster by generating image thumbnails.

Any feedback would be appreciated and I'd be happy to answer any questions. Feel free to sign up. Thanks!

MarlonPro• 14 years ago

Clickers: http://swrm.io

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Sorry about that, I couldn't figure out a way to make it a hyperlink.

parkerbossier• 14 years ago

This is actually a really good idea for crowdsourcing design feedback. I like.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Thanks! Ya we're just getting started, trying to validate the design / concept. Any other feedback? I hope you use it!

msb3• 14 years ago

I created an account and added some comments to existing designs. Noticed that I could up vote my comment, not sure if that is intentional or not. Maybe just start comments off at 1?

gassaf• 14 years ago

You are amazing people. Love the work. More ways to get honest feedback and critique is always great!

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Thanks! Are you a designer? Would love to hear some thoughts on the execution.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Feel free to ask anything, but really we would love to get feedback on the idea / site etc. We're just getting started

Goopplesoft• 14 years ago

For some reason on Chrome Version 23.0.1271.64 OSX 10.8.2 gave me a blank white page for like 10 seconds before the page loaded. Is everything pulled in via javascript or something?

Glad I waited though site looks beautiful.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Thanks for the feedback. I have a feeling we're pulling full-rez images to display before showing the page (I'm the designer, I can dev to speak a bit more about it). We are trying to figure out a smart way to resize images to lighten the load. Thanks for the feedback about the design! Sign up and play around.

jxg2• 14 years ago

We just pushed a major performance upgrade; The delay should be fixed now. Thanks for waiting!

msb3• 14 years ago

The design is nice. The site is simple and easy to understand how to use, but the simplicity kind of leaves me wanting more. There is definitely something up with the interactive elements, noticeable delays on each page. Might be worth introducing some type of visual feedback that indicates the page hasn't completed rendering.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Well, ideally, we would scale to loading wouldn't be an issue. But you're totally right, we need to be giving users more feedback. Any suggestions in terms of particularly painful screens? Thanks for using the site!

magnate_• 14 years ago

I don't like the design, it's way too cluttered. Needs less colors and more space between the elements.

I love the concept though and I definitely see myself using something like this.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Thanks for the feedback. Is there anything else you think we can do to make it more enticing for you to use?

olegious2• 14 years ago

The site looks great.

One piece of feedback- on Chrome Version 23.0.1271.91, the "Rate Artwork" slider doesn't have any kind of scale or visual confirmation of what score I'm giving- I'm assuming moving the slider left indicates that I'm saying that I don't like the design and right that I like it. Is this a bug or by design?

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Thanks! Yes, we know that's a problem, and we're working on it. We were thinking of adding a number on the thumb of the slider that changes as you move it. What do you think?

olegious2• 14 years ago

That can work.

Or even a static scale at the low and high end, with the slider calculating a score in the background. That way you're not distracting the rater with changing numbers.

Or even more simply, why not just have a Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down icons (with "no selection" being a neutral score) instead of a slider? You either like a design or you don't- do you really care about how much you like or dislike something (unless you're tracking exact scores in the background for some kind of a ranking system)?

JoelMarsh4• 14 years ago

I am a UX guy who specializes in community design, and I see some fundamental areas you should work on:

1.) How is this better than Dribbble; a popular, well-respected site with precisely the same pitch? That's not a criticism so much as something to think about.

2.) You forgot half of your target audience. Community like this has two user types that support each other: designers and critiquers. Ideally the critiquers are designers too, but these are two separate behaviours, and your site is designed for one of them. You're never going to reach critical mass until you cater more to the majority (non-uploading, non-commenting lurkers).

3.) It's hard to browse. The start page has a few clickable images and once you choose one, you're doomed if it wasn't something you like. I bet the exit rate (Google Analytics) on that second page is through the roof... what should I do next if I didn't like it? Hit the back button? That's a no-no.

4.) The users are too downplayed. In a community like this, people discover the users through their content. Then they want to follow and see more, which motivates registrations. You should make it obvious who has posted each design, with a clear link to see more.

5.) You did a good job of selling the concept on the start page, and the path to registration is obvious and clear, but I don't want to sign up for something as time-consuming as a community without trying it and exploring a bit first. That's the part that isn't so great right now.

6.) I don't get the metaphor. Is it military or something?

7.) On a purely aesthetic level, you might consider simplifying your brand... there are a lot of colors, and mid-tones, and textures, and geometry, and it's forcing you to use lots of boxes and stuff. It's hard on the eyes. Pick a couple colors, a motif/pattern or two, and reduce, re-use, and recycle. ;)

Good Luck! Nice effort so far!

mnicole3• 14 years ago

I've seen a lot of back-and-forth about using Dribbble as a critiquing platform. People opposed to receiving such feedback say that they didn't ask for it and that it's rude to assume that uploading something to the site means that they're open to suggestions about it. Personally, my stance is that if you knowingly upload something to a site that has a comment boxes, you're asking for it.

That being said, most people use the site as a means of self-promotion, so they use their real names. As such, they aren't comfortable providing the raw feedback a lot of us are looking for. I don't personally have a problem with people being able to anon their comments - obviously someone deemed them worthy enough to be there to begin with - so long as there are ways to mitigate abuse.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

We were thinking of directly tying your Swrm profile to something like LinkedIn, and in keeping with our vision of honesty, essentially prevent users from being anonymous. What do you think?

jxg2• 14 years ago

Another member of the Swrm team here. Thank you for your detailed feedback!

Re: 1) Although we are aware of dribbble, Swrm addresses a fundamentally different issue: Getting an honest, helpful critique of one's work. While dribbble may be a great platform for showcasing finished design work, it has a natural tendency to promote only works which it considers "best of the best". This is reflected in its feedback system, where comments are most often overly positive. Swrm is built on the realization that good design work is generally the result of a lengthy, iterative process rather than a flash of genius at the hands of an especially "talented" designer. By focusing on the process, we want to enable anyone to continuously improve their work.

Re: 2) Making designers and critiquers "come together" is one of the top items we're working on, especially to encourage critiquers to provide constructive feedback. I'm not sure whether you considered "lurking" to be one of the "two separate behaviors", but besides encouraging active participation I think this is just a general property of people on the web.

I agree on your remaining points – Thanks again for taking the time.

JoelMarsh4• 14 years ago

Fantastic.

For #1... maybe the real feedback is that I didn't understand that. But fair enough. I don't disagree with your goal. :)

For #2... you're right, and my point was that there is nothing for those lurkers (or "pre-contributors") to do. The community is very singular in its focus, and that focus is on the minority. A "browse" page or a footer full of browsable suggestions would be worth a lot.

instakill• 14 years ago

UX guy, I'd consider adding your email address either to your HN bio or somewhere on your site. I can find no way to contact you if I wanted to.

JoelMarsh4• 14 years ago

Done. ;)

harmon_michael• 14 years ago

First, cool idea, being a designer I know how much a good critique can really help you polish your design and really improve it (so long as you don't take it personally).

Second, how does the process go once you do improve on your design and heed the advice given, can you upload your new design (replace the old one, show them side to side, represent a timeline of the iteration?) will it tell the people who critiqued that you followed their advice? and will your old design, having already been polished and finished, will it stay on there forever continuing to get critiqued on things that have been fixed already?

looks good I'll probably upload something soon, good luck

ps: if I did upload something are there any other incentives other than the critique (like maybe a linkback to a site) just curious.

azilnik17• 14 years ago

Your second point is almost exactly what we're looking to impliment in version 2! We want to give the designs you make a "life", so you can see the process and progress towards the final product. You can imagine this evolving into a sort of "portfolio timeline" view, where you and other users can see your progress and improvements over both one single design, as well as all of your designs.

In terms of other incentives, we are looking into that now, and we would love some suggestions if you have any!

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