About the Digital Art

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by NaOH • 21 days ago

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gilleain2• 18 days ago

Of course, now the question the boy in the article asked - "where does the Tiger come from?" - could be answered with "the prompt".

The arguments today are whether a prompt like "draw a Tiger" are the same somehow to someone using a pencil or digital stylus or whatever to draw a tiger.

"But I do know that there’s no program that will draw one from scratch, any size or pose or color or style, like I want it, without an artist at the helm. And there’s no magic answer for us artists except that we are each unique. We are the only variable"

Not anymore! Now the only variable (for good or bad) is the prompt? Just add "super photorealistic, no bad anatomy" I suppose :)

dahart5• 17 days ago

To be fair, his “like I want it” can be a serious qualification that AI doesn’t yet meet in general. It’s still today pretty hard to control image generation specifics, and even harder to control videos. The times I’ve tried, I found the process completely frustrating. AI generated pictures are the most amazing when you have very low expectations, but when you need super controlled edits, it’s really not yet very good at that. Researchers are working hard on trying to fix it, so AI will undoubtedly become better at drawing the tiger “like I want it”. At that point, if I have to exercise a lot of control and make a lot of edits, I am, to some degree, still the artist at the helm, right?

technojamin• 17 days ago

You'll never be able to draw the tiger how you want it unless you draw the tiger. Prompting is not drawing, it's commissioning from another creator.

gilleain2• 17 days ago

Interesting point - usually people approach the question "who draws the tiger" from the other end. As in, the assumption is (not unreasonably!) the genAI is doing all the work and the AI 'artist' is doing nothing.

Of course, the more control you have - as you say - over the process, the more you are the artist.

I have to say, I'm not that interested in whether the output 'really' is art or not. I'm sympathetic to non-AI artists and I personally prefer art made by humans. However ... it is not impossible to make something that looks good or communicates an interesting idea with AI, but not trivially.

jdw643• 18 days ago

We are none of us much without the others.

It can be summed up as: "An artist struggles without tools, and a toolmaker is meaningless without an artist." It's still a valid answer in the modern era, but with AI added to the mix, confusion sets in. But if that's the case, where does AI fit in? I am a toolmaker, but I actively use AI. So what am I?

A toolmaker who makes tools for making tools? But agents, at least when it comes to CRUD apps, work quite perfectly once I've given them a short command. So what am I, then?

cwmoore• 17 days ago

temporary

dfxm12• 17 days ago

If you think, at least, you are.

dahart5• 17 days ago

where does AI fit in? […] what am I, then?

One of many. Personally I’ve never seen this as a particularly confusing or mysterious question, as long as you don’t anthropomorphize the computer. The computer isn’t writing your apps out of thin air, people made all the training data, and people wrote the tools that can turn prompts into code & images. You are just choosing to use the work of other people, and tools made by other people. In a very real way, your situation supports the article’s notion that we are nothing without the others.

Art, and especially digital art, has always had the ability to use/borrow/steal/remix the work & tools of others. AI is just the newest tool other people made that can do faster borrowing of other people’s work than before. After MacPaint, we had Photoshop and that was used to do a lot of borrowing & remixing too (as well as plenty of original & creative digital work).

I’m guessing that use of AI will mirror the other tools in the sense that the people who will be celebrated for their creativity, for the most part, will be the people who limit their use of borrowing from others and bring new ideas to the work, and/or the people who can tell the best story about what they did.

jdw643• 17 days ago

Your reply has some comforting points, but there are also a few difficult ones. Because the premise of all this is basically that there's originality based on ideas, right? But realistically, the apps I deliver aren't original. They're more like, 'There's this app, could you migrate this feature for us?' or 'Could you implement X site's functionality for us too?'

In that sense, the tool creators in the original post are tool makers. They're like mold makers for tools. But I'm more like mass production, so there's a bit of a difficult point there. The problem is that I sometimes wonder whether my mass-production identity is actually better than AI.

rf15• 17 days ago

The author sadly skips showing off the much more interesting claimed Etch-a-Sketch art.

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