Let's celebrate work that is 100% human-made

by supryan • 2 months ago

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janaagaard• 2 months ago

What are the rules? Is it okay to use autocomplete? Are spell checkers accepted? What if I used an AI chatbot to figure out something instead of a traditional search engine?

jrflo• 2 months ago

Is it ok if I used a compiler and didn't write the assembly code by hand?

vjvjvjvjghv4• 2 months ago

Nope. You also can't use a CPU made by big ASML machines. If you decide to go with a mechanical computer I am not sure if a lathe is ok.

happytoexplain6• 2 months ago

It's hard to tell if you're mocking the parent's fallacy or contributing to it.

baobabKoodaa4• 2 months ago

You're implying compilers now utilize generative AI somehow? I doubt that very much.

happytoexplain6• 2 months ago

This is dishonest (and very common). You may certainly argue that genAI content should count as human-made, but it's pointless to just gesture at pre-genAI tools like autocomplete and insist that other people do the work of comparing/contrasting.

It's OK to use the term "human made" to mean "not the output of genAI". There's no "gotcha" to be scored here.

kbrkbr• 2 months ago

What is dishonest about asking for clarification of submission criteria that are utterly unclear?

Help us to signify and share projects done by humans (not AI).

Here is nothing about GenAI specifically.

Who else could be asked if not the ones that set up this collection?

Cyberdogs7• 2 months ago

Ok, what about a more direct take.

Hello games made a game called No Man's Sky which has VERY heavy use of procedural generation. Same as Minecraft.

If someone were to make the same games using genAi, would it be less impressive, even if the output was 'better'?

F3nd02• 2 months ago

None of these amount to AI making something. Before AI, it’s been humans who put the words on the paper, who put the strokes on the canvas, who put the notes on the sheet. Spell-checking and auto-completion have existed before AI and do not fundamentally change the process.

Since this project singles out AI (likely generative AI using machine learning), it seems evident to me that it rules out any involvement which does fundamentally change the process, i.e. what people otherwise do when creating.

(Yes, one could argue that e.g. word processing or printing have also fundamentally changed the process, and that is absolutely true, but each of those has changed the process differently than machine learning has, and clearly this website considers the changes made by AI undesirable in some ways, not the changes made by word processing or printing.)

d3Xt3r8• 2 months ago

The question remains. Where do you draw the line? What are the rules?

The site only states "There's only one rule: generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project.", without defining any further rules, nor does it clarify the exact definition of "creation of the project".

Like, what if you included a library in your project that was vibe-coded (but your main code wasn't), would your project be considered as "human-made"?

leephillips• 2 months ago

I made some rules: https://lee-phillips.org/humanmade/

I think I draw the line at a place that makes sense. (And mine was first, but I don’t care, as long as the movement takes off.)

throawayonthe2• 2 months ago

what are the rules for hand-made? is it okay to use blades? are tables accepted? what if i used a digitized text to learn my craft

come on

keernan• 2 months ago

What if I use a hammer.

Induane• 2 months ago

I have began to use AI to flesh out unittests and honestly am kind of digging that part. All the actual code is still me though.

yallpendantools2• 2 months ago

This was my earliest use-case for LLMs and it remains to this day as the most compelling value proposition of all the fancy new LLMs.

I have always tried to abide by DRY in my programming career with the huge exception of writing unit tests. I made the mistake, early in my career when Test-Driven Development was all the rage, of making unit tests reflect the inheritance structure of the actual code. It just made sense. Needless to say, it quickly descended into the most bizarre manifestation of inheritance hell as tests randomly failed with no correlation to the changes done in the core code.

Hence, I resolved to make unit tests the huge exception to DRY. The more straightforward your tests are, the better. Endeavor that each test method up to a test class should read understandably on its own.

This, of course, made tests quite a mechanical chore to write. Which makes it the perfect use case for these large, verbose, and humorless daemons. Bonus that they are also very good at vibing out the set-up needed for a test so I can focus on specifying the test cases I want rather than setting up mock after stub after fake.

The output is also very easy to review and verify. I see no moral quandary in this kind of usage.

cheevly• 2 months ago

When I use AI to produce a work, it’s human-made, just the same as when I use a computer to synthesize digital works using human-developed automation tools like word processors. All built on top of operating systems that manipulate bytes of all natural human-made data.

haickernews• 2 months ago

says the guy making a sloperating system lmao

kordlessagain• 1 month ago

You are a systemmer. Stop arguing with jerks. It's a waste of your time. And time is all we have.

skyberrys• 2 months ago

From the name I was expecting to be humans doing things to force work. Like my child pouring milk on the table. Now I get to do work cleaning. It's human-made work. It's pretty easy to make work for others.

recursive2• 2 months ago

"Work" as in artwork or "Look on my works ye Mighty, and despair!"

whyenot• 2 months ago

I'm not entirely sure what "100% human-made" even means. Also, what is the difference between 90% and 100%? Is any website (of the modern era) 100% human made?

baobabKoodaa4• 2 months ago

Lucky for you, the website answers these questions in the very few sentences of text that it contains, so you can just read those sentences if you actually want your questions answered.

vjvjvjvjghv4• 2 months ago

I don't understand what "human-made" means. Are they going to write assembly code themselves or are they taking a big pile of sand to create some transistors?

I understand some of the concerns about AI but they are either a problem of our economic system or of people not caring about what they are doing. Economic problems are probably the most important because robotics and AI have the potential to break our current capitalist system.

xigoi• 2 months ago

I don't understand what "human-made" means.

Thankfully, the website answers that. If it’s too long for you, you can ask an LLM to summarize it.

vjvjvjvjghv4• 2 months ago

"generative AI cannot be used in the creation of the project"

How do you know that any of the frameworks you are using aren't generated by AI? Personally I think the whole proposition is silly.

phyzix5761• 2 months ago

Its ironic that the 2 apps being showcased are a sobriety tracking app and a brewery brand.

happytoexplain6• 2 months ago

In what way is this ironic?

ChrisArchitect• 2 months ago

Reminds of Books By People https://booksbypeople.org (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45713367)

morpheos137• 2 months ago

I don't mean to piss on your parade but llm generation is human output just like a car welded by robots is a human product. This contrived dualism between llm generated things and human generated things makes the llm into an independent agent (it is not, it is a statistical approximator) and denies the human origin of automated creations. do we say numbers calculated by hand are less authentic than by boolean logic? do we say books printed by press are less human in origin than medieval calligraphy? Ai is a tool. Its output is the result of human intention / attention.

recursive2• 2 months ago

When people say "hand-made furniture", everyone knows what that means. No one is struggling with the definition of "human-made work" except those who seem offended by its existence.

yallpendantools2• 2 months ago

My thoughts are, apparently, a threat to OpenAI's valuation. lol.

bigstrat2003• 2 months ago

This is a really good idea. I have zero interest in seeing something that someone couldn't be bothered to actually make themselves. And while we can't control the fact that people choose to outsource their creativity and thinking to a machine, we can choose to celebrate and highlight those who do not. I hope we see more of this as genAI becomes more and more of a blight on the quality of work out there.

oldnetguy• 2 months ago

As a person who likes hand made items I'm for this. I will pay a premium for someone who hand makes an item. Bonus if it's someone older who provides old school craftsmanship.

laserdancepony• 2 months ago

I like this project and the negative responses here are reinforcing me in this decision.

krapp2• 2 months ago

When slop-jockeys get so triggered they pretend they can't even comprehend the premise and start to hyperfixate on semantics and pedantism you know it's a good idea.

grouchomarx• 2 months ago

the work featured is extremely mediocre and the "human made" label feels forced

ticulatedspline• 2 months ago

If the only interesting thing about a work is it's provenance is that work actually valuable?

actually in all honesty human works are predominantly crap, and a bit passé. If I'm going to visit a site whose whole shtick is provenance I'd rather see some really, objectively good, ai stuff. that would be way more interesting.

vjvjvjvjghv4• 2 months ago

I find it interesting how the techies are suddenly losing their minds over technology. We have killed a ton of other people’s jobs over the last few decades and made excellent money doing so. Now it seems it’s our turn

happytoexplain6• 2 months ago

An immoral fallacy. People will fight for, subjectively, their values; and objectively, their livelihoods.

They'll do this no matter how bad you try to make them feel. In fact, belittling them tends to have the opposite effect.

piloto_ciego6• 2 months ago

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Good. I wish we would kill 100% of the "jobs" out there and we could all start working on the things that we want instead of spending the best years of our lives doing stupid bullshit.

We should work to eliminate all work. That should be something we strive towards. The end of work you don't want to do.

sublinear4• 2 months ago

I don't think it's possible to infer your definition of "work" from what you wrote.

If you are doing something, that's work. You are against doing things you don't like. That's a different topic.

g-b-r6• 2 months ago

The comments on this are so utterly depressing

piloto_ciego6• 2 months ago

Time and time again I see these people spazzing out about human made work, as though humans should have to do any work at all that they don't freely choose to! Like, there's some moral puritan value to toiling in the code mines until you wither and die.

We're finally approaching a world where humans could work less and the only thought people can think about is how jobs might go away or some other such bullshit. Capitalist Realism has gotten so bad that I've seen anarchists cheering on copyright law and "so called" leftists wishing for the halcyon days of 30 years ago - just like their parents did in the 90s.

It's wild how conservative of an era we're in right now.

randypewick• 2 months ago

I get it, and I think it is legit.

But I'd rather celebrate high quality software than how the software is made.

I appreciate that people put the effort in what they do, but the effort could be spent on other activities that are not "typing".

JKCalhoun• 2 months ago

For hand-made objects, a friend recently turned me on to a kind of German "How It's Made".

301 videos of craftspeople and Handwerkskunst:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLP7j_Ie2Gcc82bpqHPfLf...

johnea• 2 months ago

The name is not great.

Shouldn't human-made exclude injection molding, or CNC metalwork?

Or maybe this is for people who think software is everything?

Sadly many recent electrical engineering grads also have this perspective...

Let's celebrate work that is 100% human-made

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