Scrub values in JavaScript live

http://nornagon.github.com/scrubby

by nornagon • 14 years ago

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ashcairo• 14 years ago

Very clever.

pbiggar3• 14 years ago

This is very impressive and cool. However I really don't think that parsing source code and manipulating is a very maintainable way to do this (and this as someone who writes Clojure for a living).

You could do exactly the same using very simple Knockout. It wouldn't be as funky, but it would be something you'd be happy to use in production.

nornagon7• 14 years ago

It isn't really intended for production use. Personally, I plan to use it to tweak values in games I write, because having to alt+tab, find, edit, alt+tab, refresh, restore state for every tiny tweak to the position of a UI element sucks.

This is a development tool :)

pbiggar3• 14 years ago

Can you go into more detail?

mutewinter• 14 years ago

I did something like this in my presentation[1] about Ember.

It uses Ember.js to maintain the state of the code samples and proved to be very stable. I don't have interactive sliders on specific values, but the code is parsed and run after every character the user types. e.g. you can change the size of the squid on this page[2] and see it reflected immediately on the right.

[1] http://mutewinter.github.com/why_ember/#/slides

[2] http://mutewinter.github.com/why_ember/#/slides/data-binding

mcrider• 14 years ago

What would be the use cases for this, other than education?

nornagon7• 14 years ago

I plan to use it to tweak values during game development, so I don't have to edit/reload every time I tweak a number a tiny bit.

aufreak3• 14 years ago

The liveness of something like this can be rather useful actually.

I wrote a not-as-fancy "canvas explorer" with a live updating image that you can save snapshots of. [1] Wrote this just yesterday to let me programmatically make images for use elsewhere (I suck at drawing tools.) I'm already enjoying the "liveness" of it and the fact that all images are remembered in localStorage. It's really cool that this is so easy to do with JS.

[1] http://srikumarks.github.com/demos/canvas_explorer/

akx• 14 years ago

Plain and simple (if you could ever call it that) exploratory programming? The sort that yields stuff like Jared Tarbell's stuff http://levitated.net/daily/index.html and many Chrome Experiments, etc.

Skalman• 14 years ago

It doesn't work in Firefox 19.

nornagon7• 14 years ago

Should be fixed now.

spicyj2• 14 years ago

Very cool. Just wanted to mention that we've had the same capability in the Khan Academy CS environment for a few months now:

http://www.khanacademy.org/cs/gear/1178931559

Read John Resig's blog post for more details: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4382076

Void_• 14 years ago

Yes, playing with values and seeing the graphical result change is an excellent way of getting the intuition for taught material.

I came across this example (http://www.khanacademy.org/math/statistics/e/exploring_mean_...) from Khan Academy that helps students understand mean and median of a data set. (There are exercises for other summary statistics too.)

shakeel_mohamed• 14 years ago

Nice! Just a thought, values can go beyond the valid range. For example: dividing by zero, having negative values for RGB, and negative height/widths.

nornagon7• 14 years ago

Unfortunately there's no type information in JS, so it's very difficult to extract range data from just the source. Just don't drag it into that range ;)

PS, I'm planning to implement a color picker for strings like 'rgba(200,0,234,0.4)'

tantalor• 14 years ago

How does scrubby know the alpha value is real-valued (not integral)?

stuaxo• 14 years ago

Does anyone know if there is a similar editor component for Gtk, QT or Wx ?

EDIT: Ideally for python.

enjalot• 14 years ago

Interesting implementation! I'm using CodeMirror tokens and regexs to make numbers scrubbable and hex colors pickable: http://tributary.io/tributary/2958568/

I've been wanting to explore the route you took more, especially for doing even more code modification. I'd like to let users click on a number and turn it into a variable, or have a special object where members are added to the global table. You can then create controls external to the code with that table and hide the code (good for presenting after you're done coding). Looking forward to checking out your code!

my project: http://tributary.io

egdelwonk• 14 years ago

I forked your code and implemented one of your todos: Added the ability to input values when double clicking a scrubber.

https://github.com/nornagon/scrubby/pull/1/files

nornagon7• 14 years ago

Awesome! I'll check it out soon :D

Scrub values in JavaScript live

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