Gaining control of every projector and camera on campus

https://www.edna.land/blogs/posts/scanning/

by ednaordinary • 2 months ago

131 32 2 months ago

schmeichel• 2 months ago

Banger

Banditoz• 2 months ago

I am a bit confused on how they were able to access these devices if they stated the network is not allowing routing? I think I may've missed that part in the article.

vessenes• 2 months ago

At the end they said a small number were opened up to allow some sort of cross device communication.

kwar13• 2 months ago

nice writeup. might be a bit careful though, as far as i know port scanning might be technically not allowed by your campus's it policy... nonetheless great job!

ethanhawksley• 2 months ago

very nice article!

robviren• 2 months ago

Ex Vaddio PM here. Like 5 years ago all our firmware defaulted to requiring non-default passwords on setup. We also created a free windows application that can mass upgrade firmware and change auth if defaults were used. We tried!

Saw the Vaddio logo and had to chime in. Gotta stick up for my Minnesota devs.

ares623• 2 months ago

Did you play the Gandalf smiling video across all projectors?

jakedata• 2 months ago

Causing a 15 minute outage campuswide is not clever at all. A DOS attack was not the goal and it drew unwanted attention. If I was responding to this outage there would have been consequences - not for doing it, but for getting caught. Perhaps a 200 KB/s rate limit on every device associated with the user for escalating timeout periods if the unclever behavior remained attributable.

embedding-shape2• 2 months ago

At some point, I hit a threshold where the DNS server could no longer keep up and broke. As I later found out, this caused a ~15 minute campus wide outage for managed computers as no computer could make the DNS lookup in order to mount its network drive. IT politely told me to stop spamming the DNS server after this, so I did.
How’d IT know it was me? I yapped about it for two weeks!

You know, I think maybe the first part is how they found out about you, rather than that they just happened to follow you on social media :)

realo• 2 months ago

Wow. No police, no handcuffs, no lawyers... Just a polite request.

This must be happening in some alternate universe.

embedding-shape2• 2 months ago

I've did plenty of shit stuff in school, always got polite requests to stop rather than getting the police called on me, except one time.

I think "kid did a hacking, adults called the cops" is less common than people think, it just doesn't usually make the news when that happens, only when the cops get involved the media get involved, so essentially survivor bias.

IncreasePosts• 2 months ago

Happened to me too. Back in the early 2000s, my college had two outbound Internet connections. One was shared with all students and one was shared with all labs/classrooms/etc. Connecting from dorms to labs was quick, and labs to internet quick, but dorms to internet was slow as molasses especially at certain times of day when a ton of students were on the Internet.

So I found some always on lab machine and ran squid on it, so I could get on the Internet through the labs from my dorm.

Turns out some tech found it after a few months, and tried to kill it but ended up fork bombing the system. And it fork bombed again whenever they rebooted it. That system apparently was the one used for scheduling anything at the college and they weren't happy with it going down.

At like 8am one day 3 techies knocked on my door and were like "uhhh..please don't run squid any more" and that was that.

It was a glorious 3 months though when I was getting 1mb/s downloads and everyone else around me was getting 75kb/s

jerf• 2 months ago

If universities jailed everyone who did something stupid on their network, they'd have to close their computer science department for lack of students.

I once stood up a DHCP server without realizing I'd start serving addresses to my entire dorm. I shut it down after just a minute or so having served 10 or 15 addresses out. A few minutes later my dorm phone rang asking about what I had done. Fortunately I could say with a straight face I'd already shut it down.

(Before anyone says "why didn't they just", this would be 1997 or 1998. Networks and their tooling have come a long way since then.)

tyzoid• 2 months ago

Hey, fancy seeing you up here on HN! Fun article

miki123211• 2 months ago

The PTR record enumeration trick is often fun to try on hotel and other public networks.

The problem here is that many places segment their guest network away from the internal one, but they use the same DNS server for both, so guests can still resolve internal hostnames and perform rev DNS queries.

I usually like to run a traceroute or two (to some arbitrary external IP like 1.1.1.1 or 8.8.8.8) whenever I connect to a new network. As traceroute does rev dns by default, if you see the internal hostname for your default gateway (and possibly other hosts inbetween you and the wider internet), those IPs are likely good starting points for your rev DNS shenanigans.

varenc• 2 months ago

I also love PTR record numeration using broadcast mDNS/Bonjour. Instead of relying on a central server, you send out the same sort of DNS query but as a broadcast packet:

    dig -x 192.168.1.1 @224.0.0.251 -p 5353

This gets you the .local address of a device. Of course, fewer things support mDNS. But it will often come up with interesting details. On Apple devices, you can also retrieve the model number via mDNS.

breakingcups• 2 months ago

Seems a bit too irresponsible and immature for my taste.

quietsegfault3• 2 months ago

It’s university. It’s the time to be irresponsible and immature. When I worked managing serious high performance computing systems at a university and my job relied on the network. When the network failed, we would just go to the bar and have a couple drinks. It’s really not that big a deal.

virgil_disgr4ce• 2 months ago

too irresponsible and immature

what, the university using default passwords on freaking cameras? agreed!

63• 2 months ago

Even running a port scanner is enough to face disciplinary action at many US colleges. Taking down the network for the entire school for 15 minutes surely deserved more consequences than were doled out here. I'd encourage the author to focus their efforts and talents on something more constructive.

quietsegfault3• 2 months ago

Why would they deserve “more consequences”? Academia isn’t the real world. It’s a place where people can learn how to interact with the world as an adult. People should be encouraged to experiment (within reason) and if there is no actual bad intent, consequences should focus on learning rather than punishment.

ronsor• 2 months ago

Excessive "consequences" don't encourage "better behavior," they incentivize more secrecy.

And eventually the knowledge gets out anyway and someone who doesn't care does more damage that's harder to clean up.

sirnicolaz• 2 months ago

AI usage
I used ai for a single rust scope issue that google wasn’t giving me clear answers for.

Nowadays, this needs to be highlighted. Congrats

Washuu• 2 months ago

The font size on this site is massive and zooming out causes the font to resize back to the same massive font size.

Why?! ;_;

deadlycow• 2 months ago

Wow this is funnily evil

xoa• 2 months ago

...where are, at a trivial minimum, the VLANs!?!? Or even outright separate physical architecture, but at the very least even the absolute cheapest prosumer Omada/UniFi/Mikrotik/whatever switches and WAPs made for the last decade+ will give you some simple segmentation for free. I don't understand, apparently they had cameras and other devices in a single flat network space that any rando BYD could cruise around in? Like, sure, absolutely change default passwords, better provisioning, consider what info DNS or other side channels (like certificate transparency if you use a public CA and don't use a wildcard) might reveal, use internal VPNs even for trusted devices to access certain stuff, etc etc. But it still feels like simply isolating security/surveillance and other restricted use devices should sorta be the 101 first layer of the onion and if that wasn't done yeesh.

If this was written 20-25 years ago sure, but in 2026? Wild.

giobox• 2 months ago

The 554 RTSP restream thing is something I see a lot in badly configured NVR setups. Many NVRs are configured to restream the cameras they watch, the idea being that only the NVR watches the camera's feeds directly to reduce the CPU load on the relatively weak CCTV cameras - the beefy NVR server can restream to many more clients instead of them all talking to the camera individually.

There are so many of these tools that simply re-stream the RTSP CCTV feed with no support for using any sort of authentication though - the expectation is you configure firewall rules appropriately so only the "correct" devices can view the feed on the open port.

tybstar• 2 months ago

Reminds me of the time in college I realized that the university network's dynamic DNS configuration was wrong and that if I named my Linux laptop with the same hostname of the mail server, I became the mail server when I connected to the network. (I used an ethernet jack in the cafeteria and a random PCMCIA network card I found in the help desk stash so they wouldn't trace the problem back to my school laptop. The IT department already hated me for unrelated reasons.)

Gaining control of every projector and camera on campus

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