ClickHouse acquires Langfuse

https://langfuse.com/blog/joining-clickhouse

by tin7in • 6 months ago

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kmlx• 6 months ago

maybe clickhouse can finally make sense of the langfuse documentation

tuananh2• 6 months ago

how does it benefit for clickhouse?

ushakov• 6 months ago

they want to enter the llm observability market and langfuse has already built a convenient wrapper around clickhouse that companies have adopted

https://clickhouse.com/blog/clickhouse-raises-400-million-se...

tuananh2• 6 months ago

thank you! i missed that news

LunaSea3• 6 months ago

Makes no sense to me, there's no synergy between LLMs and databases besides the vector search features.

mercurialsolo• 6 months ago

Clickhouse needs observability models to be more useful to agent run infra

ponywombat• 6 months ago

Ah, the painful migration to Clickhouse from v2 to v3 makes sense now https://langfuse.com/self-hosting/upgrade/upgrade-guides/upg...

__s• 6 months ago

This is not why v3 made those changes over a year ago, your cause & effect are mistaken

bezbac• 6 months ago

Congratulations to everyone involved, quite remarkable considering Langfuse was only founded as part of YC 23.

shmichael• 6 months ago

Without the purchase price, it is unclear whether this deserves congratulations or condolences.

Two years in the LLM race will have definitely depleted their seed raise of $4m from 2023, and with no news of additional funds raised it's more than likely this was a fire sale.

stuartjohnson12• 6 months ago

Anecdotally, from the AI startup scene in London, I do not know folks who swear by Langfuse. Honestly, evals platforms are still only just starting to catch on. I haven't used any tracing/monitoring tools for LLMs that made me feel like, say, Honeycomb does.

jascha_eng• 6 months ago

It was not a fire sale I'm pretty sure. Langfuse has been consistently growing, they publish some stats about sdk usage etc so you can look that up.

They also say in the announcement that they had a term sheet for a good series a.

I think the team just took the chance to exit early before the llm hype crashes down. There is also a question of how big this market really is they mostly do observability for chatbots but there are only so many of those and with other players like openais tracing, pydantic logfire, posthog etc they become more a feature than a product of its own. Without a great distribution system they would eventually fall behind I think.

2 years to a decent exit (probably 100m cash out or so with a good chunk being Clickhouse shares) seems like a good idea rather than betting on that story to continue forever.

floriferous• 6 months ago

Agreed, Sentry, Posthog, and many more are all doing the exact same thing now, I'd be surprised if this was a good deal for Langfuse. I personally migrated away from it to use Sentry, their software was honestly not that great.

dangoodmanUT2• 6 months ago

The fact that all metrics are relative doesn't suggest they got an amazing deal

mritchie712• 6 months ago

the "Prompt Management" part of these products always seemed odd. Does anyone use it? Why?

dandelionv1bes2• 6 months ago

I do understand why it’s a product - it feels a bit like what databricks has with model artifacts. Ie having a repo of prompts so you can track performance changes against is good. Especially if say you have users other than engineers touching them (ie product manager wants to AB).

Having said that, I struggled a lot with actually implementing langfuse due to numerous bugs/confusing AI driven documentation. So I’m amazed that it’s being bought to be really frank. I was just on the free version in order to look at it and make a broader recommendation, I wasn’t particularly impressed. Mileage may vary though, perhaps it’s a me issue.

alexpadula• 6 months ago

I thought the docs were pretty good just going through them to see what the product was. For me I just don't see the use-case but I'm not well versed in their industry.

pprotas• 6 months ago

Iterating on LLM agents involves testing on production(-like) data. The most accurate way to see whether your agent is performing well is to see it working on production.

You want to see the best results you can get from a prompt, so you use features like prompt management an A/B testing to see what version of your prompt performs better (i.e. is fit to the model you are using) on production.

cunha00• 6 months ago

We use it for our internal doc analysis tool. We can easily extract production genrrations, save them to datasets and test edge cases. Also, it allows prompt separation in folders. With this, we have a pipeline for doc abalysis where we have default prompts and the user can set custom prompts for a part of of the pipeline. Execution checks for a user prompt before inference, if not, uses default prompt, which is already cached on code. We plan to evaluate user prompts to see which may perform better and use them to improve default prompt.

swyx4• 6 months ago

(congrats team! such a joy to see you succeed)

every single day there is an acquisition on here. what's going on in the macro?

marcklingen2• 6 months ago

(thank you!)

Nora23• 6 months ago

Does this mean Langfuse will now have better ClickHouse integration?

jimmySixDOF• 6 months ago

I predict it will be Pydantic next to get picked up by someone for logfire and agent framework.... fine as long as all these open source projects stay open source then good for them

CuriouslyC2• 6 months ago

The Pydantic stuff is nice, but in a minimalist way that I don't see being amenable to SaaS/vc/etc.

scolvin2• 6 months ago

We have a SaaS platform (Pydantic Logfire - General and AI observability), and we raised our Series A from Sequoia.

For good or bad, I think we're pretty "SaaS/vc/etc." already.

gyre007• 6 months ago

Our goal continues to be building the best LLM engineering platform

Interesting headline for a checks notes time series database company.

stingraycharles• 6 months ago

That’s what you get when you raise a lot of VC capital. Just being the best timeseries database is not enough.

michaelmior• 6 months ago

Note that the headline is from Langfuse, not ClickHouse. Reading the announcement from ClickHouse[0], the headline is "ClickHouse welcomes Langfuse: The future of open-source LLM observability". I think the Langfuse team is suggesting that they will be continuing to do the same work within ClickHouse, not that the entire ClickHouse organization has a goal of building the best LLM engineering platform.

[0] https://clickhouse.com/blog/clickhouse-acquires-langfuse-ope...

cs554• 6 months ago

"Berkshire Hathaway Inc. is an American multinational conglomerate holding company" is a weird thing for a textile manufacturer to call itself. Almost like...businesses expand and evolve?

(they've never been a time series database company either lol)

wodenokoto2• 6 months ago

Language models are time series models.

It’s great when you get this insight as a student of NLP, because suddenly your toolset grows quite a bit.

Jgrubb• 6 months ago

Could you elaborate? because that sentence made my brow wrinkle with confusion. I have thought to myself before that all business data problems eventually become time series problems. I'd like to understand your point of view on how LLMs fit into that.

dangoodmanUT2• 6 months ago

Your notes aren't very good. They're not a time series database company, they're a columnar database company. But yeah the LLM bit is weird, database companies _always_ feel like charlatans when it comes to LLMs.

vegabook• 6 months ago

Willing to bet most columnar stores are used for time series.

hodgesrm3• 6 months ago

ClickHouse effectively has a number of personas. Time series is one of them, and ClickHouse has steadily absorbed market share from pure play time series databases over the last few years. Other personas include real-time observability backend (the single biggest use case in my experience) as well as real-time data lake engine. Time series support, column storage, and real-time response are key underlying capabilities. It's quite versatile and fun to use.

Disclosure: I run Altinity, a vendor in this space.

(Update: Disclaimer -> Disclosure. Sigh.)

vibedev• 6 months ago

But this is correct? The article that you read is from Langfuse POV, not Clickhouse.

mrits• 6 months ago

They are closer to an LLM database than a time series database. But they aren't very close to either.

madduci• 6 months ago

Diversification is the keyword

rr808• 6 months ago

Just did a funding round. In a sign of the times clickhouse used to be an interesting DB product, but is now a "database software that companies can use as they develop AI agents "

<i>Database technology startup ClickHouse Inc. has raised $400 million in a new funding round that values the company at $15 billion — more than double its valuation less than a year ago. </i>

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-16/clickhous...

embedding-shape5• 6 months ago

Investors are finicky creatures, if you've been relying on VC-funding since before, it's hard to stop until you are really successful, and if everyone starts to only look at shiny AI stuff and you still need investors, you end up with not much choice.

I wish there was less of it, we'd have better software then, but :/

esafak3• 6 months ago

Would we? You can look at places with less funding and see how many software companies get off the ground.

shimman• 6 months ago

What but? If this is the "best" that VC can do with the money, the US government should simply tax it away from them. Absolutely worse way to allocate resources and develop a robust forward looking tech industry, you're just chasing the shiny while fucking over the commons.

steveBK123• 6 months ago

I think it’s hard to make money as a pure play DB vendor and has been for a decade or two. So they all inevitably pivot into some service specific to whatever the hot use case of the moment is… Cybersecurity. Observability. Crypto. AI.

debarshri• 6 months ago

The fundraising market is very interesting right now. You have to have some AI and agenr narrative without which you do not look very forward looking. You might be a database company with million in revenue but if you do not have a AI narrative you would not be perceived as forward looking as compared to a startup thats burning through millions in token with no path to profitability. It has become table stakes and the new reality for startups.

data-ottawa• 6 months ago

This has made buying products hard.

What do you do? “We power your agents” okay… but what do you do? How do you do that?

Every DB, storage system, and analytics tool website is like this lately.

nikcub• 6 months ago

Clickhouse are on a bit of a roll. acquired peerdb and are doing a hosted postgres product[0]

Acquired hyperdx[1] for their clickstack[2] observability platform and adding langfuse to a bunch of other llm related acquisitions and products

They're really building out a snowflake / databricks alternative

[0] https://clickhouse.com/cloud/postgres

[1] https://clickhouse.com/docs/cloud/manage/hyperdx

[2] https://clickhouse.com/use-cases/observability

7thpower2• 6 months ago

Langfuse has been my favorite LLM observability solution so far. Hopefully this acquisition makes it better, not worse.

CuriouslyC2• 6 months ago

As a big Clickhouse fan, agent evals are where their product really shines. They're buying into market segment where their product is succeeding so they can vertically integrate and tighten up the feedback loop.

dpkirchner• 6 months ago

Are you talking about this sort of thing? https://clickhouse.com/blog/tracing-openai-agents-clickstack

kankerlijer• 6 months ago

For those building applications with Langfuse and Clickhouse - do you like these products? I get the odd request to do an AI thing, and my previous experience with LLM wrappers convinced me to stay away from them (Langchain, Llamaindex, Autogen, others). In some cases they were poorly written, and in other ways the march of progress rendered their tooling irrelevant fairly quickly. Are these better?

embedding-shape5• 6 months ago

The observability stuff can be nice for deployments but really, these libraries/frameworks don't actually do much more than provide some structure, which unless you're expecting a team with high turnover to maintain it, doesn't really matter all that much, especially if you're an experienced developer, you'll find better design/architectures fitting for your use case without them.

st3fan• 6 months ago

Hm I find this very much a "please reinvent the wheel" take.

These frameworks provide structure for established patterns,but they also actually do a lot that you don't have to do anymore. If you are for example building an agentic application then these kind of frameworks make it very simple to create the workflows, do the chat with the model providers, provide structure for agentic skills, decision making and the human in the loop, etc. etc.

All stuff that I would consider "low level". All things you don't have to build.

If you have an aversion to frameworks then sure - by all means. But if you like to move faster and using good building blocks then these frameworks really help.

One thing to keep in mind - many of these AI frameworks are open source and work really well without needing backend services. Or you can self host them where needed. But for many that is also the premium model, please use and pay for our backend services. But that is also a choice of course.

deaux3• 6 months ago

Ive used Langfuse. It's completely unrelated to tools like Langchain and Autogen. It's just logging/tracing for LLMs. Sure they added stuff like "prompt management" and "epxeriments" etc. probably to keep investors happy but those are entirely optional sidedishes.

The tools you mentioned are indeed to be avoided. I trialed them early on and quickly realized in 99.9% they do nothing but bog you down. Pretty sure they'll be dead sooner rather than later.

agsqwe• 6 months ago

We like Langfuse for observability via OpenTelemetry. Prompt management is too basic for our needs.

marcklingen2• 6 months ago

Let me know what features are missing in prompt management

amai2• 6 months ago

What is the advantage of a specialized llm tracing solution like langfuse vs a complete tracing solution like logfire: https://pydantic.dev/logfire ?

axpy9064• 6 months ago

SaaS company pivots to AI. Gets funding rebranded as AI company. Buys a company that actually knows it.

It’s still early but I question how much of these SaaS companies will continue. I’d rather connect Claude or whatever to do my task than have to learn a new platform let alone login to it.

antoniojtorres• 6 months ago

I don’t think that is a an accurate depiction of ClickHouse. I don’t think they’re pivoting from their main data warehousing product at all. Probably making their cloud offering more competitive with other providers.

axpy9064• 6 months ago

I haven’t used their product so you’re probably right. I’m biased as an AI engineer because I get contacted to help implement AI in existing platforms. While I admire the pivot the reality is what they have is already quite behind. Anything I make these days is old in about three months… You’d ideally want to start fresh and not have to worry about codebase that is years old.

amai2• 6 months ago

Since clickhouse is headquartered in the US that means the langfuse cloud is no longer GDPR compliant.

deaux3• 6 months ago

Correct! Will be moving away immediately for this reason.

Or well, technically incorrect, as someone will surely point out. US companies can be legally compliant with GDPR, it's just that the likes of the CLOUD Act and FISA make it completely meaningless.

Before anyone comes in talking about how it's farfetched that those matter, it's 100x as far-fetched that self-hosted Chinese LLM models would exfiltrate your data (you can even airgap them) yet 90% of corporate America is avoiding them based solely on the country they were trained in. Compared to that insanity, above US acts are a very real threat.

And that's of course on top of that now an adversarial state's company has the power to immediately dissolve Langfuse.

LunaSea3• 6 months ago

Isn't ClickHouse owned by Nebius in Amsterdam?

Rafert• 6 months ago

I'm surprised it's not mentioned yet, but this seems to compliment last year's acquisition of observability tool HyperDX[1] (part of ClickStack[2]) quite well. I'm in the market for a new o11y platform and it seems all vendors are working to add LLM observability one way or the other, if they haven't added it already.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44194082 2: https://clickhouse.com/use-cases/observability

gandreani• 6 months ago

What are you using now and what are you looking for in your new platform?

smithclay• 6 months ago

This is part of a bigger consolidation trend, AI hype or not: which general-purpose data vendor gets to store and query all of your observability and business data?

Snowflake acquired Observe last week, AWS made it easy in December to put logs from Cloudwatch in their managed iceberg catalog, and Azure is doing a bunch of interesting stuff with Fabric.

The line between your data lake/analytics vendor and observability vendor is getting blurry.

deaux3• 6 months ago

Very sad, for all their marketing around EU, GDPR, privacy and so on. I feel dumb for having fell for it a little.

This is a big reason why there are so few EU tech startups, they get bought out if they're doing well, more and more consolidation in tech, more and more "exits".

jimmyl02• 6 months ago

Clickhouse's full announcement is here https://clickhouse.com/blog/clickhouse-raises-400-million-se... and I think another big piece is directly integrating postgres into their ecosystem.

It seems like an expansion play from their team and their end vision as both a platform (clickhouse + postgres) and product (observability) seems to be pretty good combo that fits hand in hand.

ClickHouse acquires Langfuse

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