Joan Didion and Kurt Vonnegut had something to say. We have it on tape

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/19/books/james-baldwin-joan-didion-92ny-recordings.html

by tintinnabula • 7 months ago

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hoppyhoppy2• 7 months ago

Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/19/books/james-baldwin-joan-...

grahameb• 7 months ago

Direct link to the Vonnegut recordings https://www.92ny.org/archives/kurt-vonnegut,-jr

gen220• 7 months ago

This was an excellent listen, thank you for linking this directly!

Kurt Vonnegut was such a clear thinker and communicator, we were fortunate to have him for so long.

mentos• 7 months ago

Was just thinking to myself how Player Piano has never been more appropriate than the AI age we’re in such a hurry to usher in.

JKCalhoun2• 7 months ago

Agree. It's just not a very good Vonnegut novel though. You can see him without (yet) a voice in the novel.

If "Breakfast of Champions" is a little too nutty though, I think I might like his "Mother Night" best. (But maybe we like nutty Kurt?)

dillydogg• 7 months ago

I think "Hocus Pocus" is his best, followed by "Cat's Cradle". But how lucky are we to have so many good ones to pick from?

jandrese• 7 months ago

Mother Night is the book that has become more relevant every year since it was published, in 1962.

Every time someone is an "Ironic Nazi" online I think of that book, and how 4chan evolved into the modern political juggernaut it is today.

beardbound• 7 months ago

Mother night was my favorite Vonnegut book.

tsunamifury• 7 months ago

Maybe the reason westworld made it such a prominent theme in the show. All of season 3 is essentially that story.

But what vonnegut missed or questioned is what is we aren’t much more either. (Core thesis of the show is that skinner proved we are mostly the same as a player piano anyways)

thinkingtoilet• 7 months ago

I happened to reread it recently and was absolutely blown away by how relevant it is today, and how it is almost certainly more relevant today than when it was written.

detourdog• 7 months ago

I think Vonnegut really had his pulse on the human condition. Writers such Aldous Huxley could capture parts of it but Vonnegut seemed to capture it in just about every book.

ProllyInfamous4• 7 months ago

Just coincidentally, I read Player Piano during my introductions to GPT-2 (summer 2022).

One of my brothers asked (out of legitimate concern) if I needed to visit a mental institution... because there just is no way you are talking with machines about books — about such fantasies.

Granted, my life has been a series of abuses; but Vonnegut helped me realize the impossible isn't so.

And now it's so.

...so it goes.

sehugg• 7 months ago

Bluebeard is a good one too; it ruminates on the nature of art and how/why meaning is assigned to it.

liamconnell• 7 months ago

Loved Bluebeard as well. A mature Vonnegut who knew how to use motifs from his earlier work. And for an old guy, he kept his writing fresh and energetic. The miniature story of the dog without a tail always comes back to me.

afc• 7 months ago

Thank you for your comment. I like Vonnegut (my favorite is Hocus Pocus) but hadn't read Bluebeard. I only started it and I'm already enjoying it significantly.

neilv• 7 months ago

My programming teacher in 9th grade spent half the class time on Pascal and programming, and half like a literature or social studies class, including reading and discussing "Player Piano".

Today, the people who most should read it and other things are not the people in our field. Just like the people who most should've been reading about the effects and dangers of Wall Street scamming, were not the coked-up bros doing the scamming.

danbmil99• 7 months ago

No love for "Sirens Of Titan"?

ProllyInfamous4• 7 months ago

Just two rules they live by:
1) I am here
2) So glad you are

The existance of the harminoniums. That most beautiful of passages, simplicity and grace...

DrewADesign• 7 months ago

“One Headline Copywriting Strategy Increases Clicks. This is How It Works…”

There seemed to be an era where clickbait headlines in major media were seen as passé… but they’ve seemingly made a comeback over the past couple years.

anigbrowl• 7 months ago

My disgust at this pretentious clickbait outweighs my interest in the historical material.

Towaway69• 7 months ago

Vonnegut is good but I think (Aldous) Huxley had more to say, at least that resonated more with me.

I recently discovered this 1958 interview of Huxley[1]:

This is the force which in general terms can be called overpopulation, the mounting pressure of population pressing upon existing resources. …This, of course, is an extraordinary thing; something is happening which has never happened in the world's history before. I mean, let's just take a simple fact that between the time of birth of Christ and the landing of the Mayflower, the population of the earth doubled. It rose from two hundred and fifty million to probably five hundred million. Today, the population of the earth is rising at such a rate that it will double in half a century.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alasBxZsb40

NoMoreNicksLeft• 7 months ago

Funny then, how he could be so wrong. The population is plummeting in many countries, and the rate of decline will only increase. In China, they're looking at each generation halving the previous (or worse).

ProllyInfamous4• 7 months ago

Huxley was a logician.

Vonnegut was an artist.

They both make you think.

They both make you question human-ness.

Joan Didion and Kurt Vonnegut had something to say. We have it on tape

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