BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewy88jle0eo

by mhga • 11 months ago

147 35 11 months ago

ml-anon• 11 months ago

This has been happening for decades. This is working as expected.

clort• 11 months ago

Perhaps what's new is that a mainstream organisation is posting articles where their reporters have witnessed such attacks.

I've seen stuff on youtube, I've seen internet articles, I've seen thinly veiled references but this is a respectable organisation reporting what they have seen, on the front page.

seszett• 11 months ago

I don't know how it is in the UK or other countries, but mainstream information sources in France have been reporting on this for decades, I think mostly everyone is aware. Granted, the opinion in France has always been quite sympathetic to the Palestinian cause (see Chirac with "do you want me to go back to my plane?" in the 90s) although the media and politics have apparently shifted towards more support of Israel in the last few years.

notrealyme123• 11 months ago

Growing up in germany has lead me to have a somewhat blind-eye regarding this topic. But this is just pure evil.

immibis4• 11 months ago

Be careful. This comment ("pure evil") is illegal in Germany, under the antisemitism law. Many people got arrested for less. Police show up at apartments unannounced and take all electronic devices. You do not mess around with German law.

BenGosub• 11 months ago

It may be illegal, but it's 100% true

birn5592• 11 months ago

Saying that about a country is not illegal.

_l7dh5• 11 months ago

I’m absolutely baffled by Germans at this point. I’ve been taking to many Germans in the beginning of the genocide and the major feedback I got was « given what we did to the Jews… we can’t criticize Israel ». Now almost two years after, countless of massive crimes and violated international laws later, I really can’t fathom how people are not outside shouting to their government to stop supporting this evil state (which has nothing to do with Judaism as many courageous Jews are currently pointing out). This is deep corruption at the state level and, likely, deep racism at the population level. Dehumanizing the Palestinians is the main explanation for the silent majority in Germany, and not without irony: yesterday they dehumanized the Jews, and instead of learning a general lesson, they keep dehumanizing other semites in the name of their past crimes.

immibis4• 11 months ago

If you run outside your apartment in Germany and shout to the German government you will be arrested and you will not be treated kindly. They come down very very harshly on critics of Israel. Entire institutions have been destroyed (as in removal of 100% of funding, bank account closed, raided by police, electricity disconnected (during the police raid), building forcibly sold to real estate developers, etc) for stuff as simple as hosting one single one-hour speech by a native Palestinian. You can look up what happened to the Oyoun cultural center, or the Berlin Palestine Conference in 2024.

The police justification? "There is a risk that a speaker will repeatedly be shown via video who in the past made antisemitic remarks and glorified violence. For this reason, the gathering was ended and banned on Saturday and Sunday as well." - nothing that actually happened, but rather for a suspicion that words might be said later, the entire conference was immediately terminated, banned, and violently evicted. There is not much video of the eviction since filming private gatherings is generally illegal in Germany. https://mondoweiss.net/2024/04/police-raid-berlin-conference...

No sane resident of Germany would risk it. You comply with the government or else, no different than Russia or China.

s_dev• 11 months ago

The ethnic cleansing that is happening in Palestine and what these settlers are doing essentially ensures there can never be peace. The settlers are to me the root cause of the ongoing conflict, it ensure the wound can never heal while land is constantly being stolen. Whatever ceasefire or truce does happen the settlers keep taking more land backed by the Israeli government. Absolutely disgusting.

piva00• 11 months ago

The settlers aren't doing this without support, if the Israeli state didn't want it to be happening it wouldn't. There's tacit support from Israel for the settlements, they have political power.

I'm stating it this way to not push the responsibility only to the individual settlers, it's a concerted operation with broad support from a cohort of Israel's society.

_l7dh5• 11 months ago

How come every time the Israeli crimes are featured in HN, the corresponding article is flagged?

yetihehe2• 11 months ago

Pretty easy to explain. Israelis, just like other people read HN too. They don't like such articles, so they flag them. If an article receives several flags, it's marked as flagged.

Also, HN is tech site, not political site, so I'm not surprised by this, such articles may be considered off-topic.

_l7dh5• 11 months ago

I used to think that it’s beneficial to separate tech from politics but I’m convinced now that it’s a delusional stance. Politics is in tech whether we like it or not, CEOs have their political agenda and ideologies and often talk about them openly, their products directly impact people’s lives, some change the entire society. In the case of the Gaza genocide, Lavender and Gospel systems are the direct enabelers of such scale of devastation. I think it’s far from being off-topic. In a nutshell, no politics is itself a political opinion (that happens to favor the dominant party).

dlubarov• 11 months ago

It's because of an agenda which goes beyond the politics the present conflict. For example, just in the last 24 hours, there were at least two submissions here about Jewish/Israeli sexual violence. Both were old articles (so not news) about crimes that occur in every population. We don't see this sort of interest in digging up dirt on other small minority groups.

(Not that any particular submitter is to blame; the issue is systematic.)

bell-cot2• 11 months ago

Theory: Most HNer's are quite aware of the crummy situation, do not like depressing "Day nnn of Horrible Things Happening in Sudan" updates, and know that discussing Israeli/Palestinian issues on HN has a 0.000% chance of improving anything.

koonsolo2• 11 months ago

From what I understand, US still supports Israel. Public opinion matters to politicians, so it's not 0.000% chance.

vorpalhex• 11 months ago

Because HackerNews is News for Hackers and not the latest update in a 4000 year old squabble.

_l7dh5• 11 months ago

I politely disagree with almost every combination of the words you just used :). 1. hackers could be interested in news other than tech, that’s the very identity of hacking: understanding things in this case, the world politics and conflicts. 2. even then, there are _always_ non-tech entries on HackerNews, de facto. 3. it’s not 4000 old issue (misleading oversimplification). In essence, it’s a century-old colonial project that is entirely inline with the 19th and 20th century European colonialism, with a supremacist idealogy at its core (ethnostate).

deadlydose• 11 months ago

No it's not, it's never been about hackers except in name. It's about startups and venture capital. Always has been. Doesn't invalidate the point you are trying to make, though.

npteljes• 11 months ago

I agree with flagging most political topics, and most such horrible happenings in the world as TFA. This place is supposed to foster curious, intellectual discussion, and the umpteenth report of what amounts to be the same horrible thing doesn't do that, at all. There is a disgusting glut of horribleness constantly happening in the world, and we don't need to discuss the particulars of most of it.

Something I think that has a chance to spark constructive discussion is when there are significant changes in such a thing, be that change positive or negative. And those discussions usually stay on the HN pages too, because while I'm sure many are flagging them, many are voting for them as well. As the HN guidelines put it: "Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic."

BBC witnesses settlers attack on Palestinian farm in West Bank

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