Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal

https://noyb.eu/en/court-decides-pay-or-okay-derstandardat-illegal

by tomwas54 • 11 months ago

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Frieren• 11 months ago

At this point I think that this kind of tracking should be forbidden by law.

People should not have an option to accept "being spied at all times on their personal behavior". It is creepy, it is dangerous and it is inhuman.

The exceptions should be the ones that currently already exist in GDPR. Financial institutions can use data to track fraud, law enforcement can use data from ongoing criminal cases, etc.

To have an option "to be spied" is a dystopian result of the lawlessness and bad faith on the Internet.

juliangmp• 11 months ago

This! What benefit does any of this current system provide us anyway?

Dilettante_2• 11 months ago

Devil's Advocate? It pays for the services we use for free.

borzi• 11 months ago

Absolutely crazy interpretation:

"At the same time, only 1-7% of all users want to be tracked for online advertisement if asked openly. However, "pay or okay" gets 99.9% of users to agree to online tracking. If more than 90% of users do not get what they genuinely want, we have everything but a "genuine" choice."

If I got to the shop and don't want to buy the product I should just get it for free, because that is what I genuinely want? Genuine choice = I get to choose exactly what I want, always?

Edit, because people seem to miss the point: Just because populist politicians want to legally restrict business from offering a choice does not mean that a "genuine" choice is not presented.

watwut2• 11 months ago

Tracking is not payment nor is the company entitled to track people. Der Standard is free to ask for money. They are not free to make tracking condition of a service.

Nextgrid• 11 months ago

The law says that personal data is not a valid form of payment. Businesses have to adjust their business models accordingly.

mytailorisrich9• 11 months ago

Isn't offering paid access exactly that? Or what do you have in mind?

preisschild• 11 months ago

Prostitution is legal here in austria (where derStandard is based) and germany

Why should selling your personal data be illegal?

account422• 11 months ago

What you miss is that the EU has decided that your business can not depend on people selling their privacy. This is very far from crazy, we disallow many other types to businesses too.

strogonoff• 11 months ago

If EU punished the choice to provide the user an option to pay to not be tracked, EU ought to illegalise the entire business model of ad-supported “free” media where end user is the product delivered to advertisers, with no choice to not be tracked—even if you are not, in fact, a user (your shadow profile will still be built); otherwise seems to be hypocritical.

To pay to not be tracked is a joke of a choice—no one would choose to pay—but it only highlights the dark reality of how ad-supported media distort the market: honest competition is impossible against a “free” offer with a difficult to understand catch.

account422• 11 months ago

This is great but how can we disincentivize businesses from trying to play games like this with the law? Simply telling them to stop once someone had to go through a lengthy court case against them is not going to be enough.

Havoc• 11 months ago

Conflating payment and consent into one choice is complete nonsense anyway

Court decides "Pay or Okay" on DerStandard.at is illegal

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