Using obscure graph theory to solve programming languages problems

https://reasonablypolymorphic.com/blog/solving-lcsa/

by matt_d • 1 year ago

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tekknolagi2• 1 year ago

This seems, at least upon first read, analogous to global value numbering (GVN). Or, depending on how you look at it, common subexpression elimination (CSE). I am mostly wondering why they are not mentioned in the article.

j2kun• 1 year ago

I came here to mention this as well. If this problem was so critical to the company the author was working at, it seems negligent to spend a _year_ reinventing a solved problem from scratch, especially given the author's apparent history of compiler experience.

kldx• 1 year ago

Wondered about the same thing. Perhaps the author deals with graphs with no side effects or branches? It would then trivially become CSE on a single basic block.

SSA transformations are essentially equivalent to what the author appears to be doing in terms of let-bindings [0].

[0] https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/278283.278285

sjurba• 1 year ago

Shit. I had the semi hard problem at my last job and I just realized that the most efficient way I could solve it would be to write a blog post on how proud I was of my (shitty) solution and wait for the snarky commenters to tell me the proper way to do it..

I love this fact about the internet! Thanks guys! Keep it up! Including the snarkyness. It’s part of what makes it great!

(I am aware this is not a novel idea. Posting the wrong solution is better than asking for help.. It is just fun to see it in action)

tekknolagi2• 1 year ago

This is not snark! This is me genuinely wondering.

tylerhou3• 1 year ago

GVN and CSE only identify duplicate/common subexpressions. They do not tell you where to place the computation of the common subexpression.

The canonical algorithm to do that is to compute the dominance relation. A node X dominates Y if every path to Y must go through X. Once you have computed the dominance relation, if a common subexpression is located at nodes N1, N2, N3, you can place the computation at some shared dominator of N1, N2, and N3. Because dominance is a statement about /all/ paths, there is a unique lowest dominator [1]. This is exactly the "lowest single common ancestor."

Note that dominance is also defined for cyclic graphs. There may be faster algorithms to compute dominance for acyclic graphs. Expressions in non-lazy programming languages are almost always acyclic (e.g. in Haskell, you can write cyclic expressions).

[1] Claim. Let A, B, and C be reachable nodes. Suppose A and B both dominate C. Then either A dominates B or B dominates A.

Proof. We prove the contrapositive. If neither A dominates B nor B dominates A, then there exist paths a, b from the root such that path a passes through A but not B and path b passes through B but not A. If there is no path from A to C, then A cannot dominate C as C is reachable. Similarly, if there is no path from B to C, then B cannot dominate C. So assume there are paths a' from A to C and b' B to C. Then the path b.b' witnesses that A does not dominate C, and the path a.a' witnesses that B does not dominate C.

(There might be a bug in the proof; I think I proved something too strong, but I'm going to bed.)

mananaysiempre2• 1 year ago

I’m also a bit weirded out by the lack of mentions of dominators (in TFA or in the article[1] it links to). Once you have the dominator tree, though, you’re still going to need to answer LCA queries on it (in this problem and in an SSA-based compiler both), so there seems to be no way around this part.

The algorithm in the article does O(1) queries with O(V+E) preprocessing (assuming linear-preprocessing LCA, which, yeah). What’s the best algorithm for dominator trees? People usually talk about Lengauer–Tarjan[2], which is linear in practice (linear except for UNION-FIND), and not the linear one by Georgiadis[3,4]. Unfortunately, I’m not a compiler person.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1016/j.ipl.2010.02.014

[2] https://maskray.me/blog/2020-12-11-dominator-tree

[3] https://www.cs.princeton.edu/research/techreps/43

[4] https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1137/070693217

kazinator2• 1 year ago

CSE doens't only identify; it eliminates (hence the E!). It refers to the complete solution.

I don't think you necessarily have to compute the dominance relation because it can pop out implicitly.

If CSE is done on intermediate code, the dominance relation will pop out from thedirecton in which the instructions are followed around the basic blocks.

E.g. simple case: we see t3 <= t2 + t1. So we make a note in some CSE hash table that we had a t2 + t1, and that the result is cached in t3. Then if we see t2 + t1 again in the same basic block, we can replace that with t3. The dominance relation is that earlier instructions in the basic block dominate later ones, but we don't have to explicitly calculate it.

georgewsinger• 1 year ago

If you like reasoning about a program in terms of expression trees/graphs, I recently discovered that Wolfram Language has built-ins for this:

https://reference.wolfram.com/language/ref/ExpressionTree.ht...

garganzol• 1 year ago

Problem solvers based on graphs are hard to get your head around at first, but then you get extremely elegant and powerful solutions to seemingly unsolvable problems.

The only gotchas are: 1) time to get your head around 2) algorithmic complexity of the resulting solution.

Graph theory is probably the most fulfilling math application in the computer science. In a way, graph-based algorithms do magic similar to AI but in a fully determined manner. If you think about it more broadly, a graph resembles a subset of a neural network but only with {0, 1} weights.

vkazanov2• 1 year ago

Maybe some day neural networks will so obvious and well-known to the general public that this is how we'd explain graphs to kids: imagine a NN where weights are always 0/1...

Traubenfuchs• 1 year ago

The general public believes 1/3 is smaller than 1/4.

sylware• 1 year ago

You know what did happen millions of years ago when the monkeys started to use tools.

Time of AI to know how to use tools, like a mathematical formal solver. Well, it is already done, but it is not LLM... soooo.. academics only?

NoOn3• 1 year ago

Neural networks is not so complicated. They are much much simpler than it seems when you think about something as complex as intelligence. It even makes me sad that such simple things as neural networks perform such complex intellectual things...

anonymousDan• 1 year ago

A great example of the value of academia and scientific research.

RetroTechie• 1 year ago

Equally important: have professionals of all kinds (like, engineers) be aware of state-of-the-art in fields of science that touch their profession. And how to find that (if necessary through 3rd parties - like author did).

Knowledge is much less useful if it doesn't get applied.

CrimsonCape• 1 year ago

I recently started watching this lecture series on Category Theory by Bartosz Milewski and he delves into some mind-boggling existential questions in the first video.

To paraphrase, mathematicians believe that they are in "a field of discovery" with the implication of "discovery" being that mathematicians are discovering something that already exists.

He gives an example of how mathematicians believe that lambda calculus and other systems like set theory and graph theory are actually all the same thing as category theory. In a metaphoric way we have discovered the abstraction (category theory) and recognize that lambda calculus "implements the trait/interface"

The dilemma is: did we truly invent a theory of a pre-existing phenomenon? Or do we somehow map physics of the universe to a what a brain is capable of parsing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8LbkfSSR58&list=PLbgaMIhjbm...

3abiton• 1 year ago

This took a wild turn on HN, unsxpectedly? Is the series worth it? What are takeaways skills?

lifelesson701• 1 year ago

Yivycy

kazinator2• 1 year ago

This transformation is affectionately known as sharing

No, it is ubiquitously known as CSE: common subexpression elimination.

The original DAG representation of the abstract syntax, on the other hand, exhibits substructure sharing.

Of course, that invariant eventually changed. We added a way in the source langauge to introduce lets, which meant my algorithm was wrong.

Because you have to identify variables by more than just their symbol, due to shadowing, like De Brujn indexing and other schemes.

CSE is not particularly difficult in a functional language. Variable assignments throw a monkey wrench into it. Any terms with side effects also.

By the way, CSE can be done over intermediate representations, rather than abstract syntax. In an intermediate representation, you look for identical instructions with the same operands, not arbitrarily large expressions, while paying attention to variable liveness.

Another by the way is that not only do we have to worry about side effects, but we also cannot do CSE on expressions that guarantee returning a fresh object. E.g. if we are compiling Lisp we cannot merge two occurrences of (cons 1 2). The expressions must produce fresh cells which are not eq to each other. Ultimately that is linked to side effects; being able to mutate one cell with no effect on the other. Construction per se is not a side effect, even if it guarantees freshness.

Using obscure graph theory to solve programming languages problems

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