A star appears to have collapsed straight into a black hole without supernova (2017)

https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/collapsing-star-gives-birth-to-a-black-hole/

by bfeist • 1 year ago

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bell-cot2• 1 year ago

It's been a while since I crawled Wikipedia's rabbit hole on this - but I recall there being regions of the stellar "mass vs. metallicity" graph in which direct collapse to a black hole is the expected outcome.

Is there an astrophysicist in the house?

metalman• 1 year ago

not an astro anything, but the easy question is how does the sun switch off it's light output so suddenly as to cause a perfect garavitational collapse presumably it has to be a large metal rich star and exist without too much local gas or a companion star one thing is clear at this point is that the variety of stelar and galactic variability is much larger than what was predicted even a few decades ago, though the idea of a star just neatly removing itself from this universe when it's done, is very strange indeed

madaxe_again• 1 year ago

It doesn’t necessarily switch anything off or collapse - it’s possible for a star of the right mass and density to simply end up with a core that is held up only by degeneracy pressure, and the core slowly shrinks as it cools until it lies within its schwarzschild radius, and the rest of the star is either quietly consumed by this relatively slow process, or just escapes as though nothing much happened. Which from the outside looks like the star just turning off.

magicalhippo• 1 year ago

Seems this is the case for both supermassive black hole formation[1][2], and stellar direct-collapse black holes due to failed supernova[3].

But yeah, just a layman so hopefully someone knowledgeable chimes in.

[1] https://doi.org/10.1093/mnras/staa863

[2] https://doi.org/10.3847/1538-4357/acda94

[3] https://arxiv.org/abs/2503.23856

udev4096• 1 year ago

(2017)

verbify• 1 year ago

[22 million years ago]

wizzwizz44• 1 year ago

That's subjective. Objectively, all we can say is that it happened before 2017.

Scarblac• 1 year ago

That was in 2017, it's 22000008 years ago now.

roman_soldier• 1 year ago

Could be an advanced civilisation sucking all the stars energy into the back of their spaceship.

m4rtink• 1 year ago

More likely just someone feeding all the mass of the star to a black hole for industrial purposes - eq. a Deep Well Industrial Zone: https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/464790d2497de

Orions Arm even has a story about how such process might look like: https://www.orionsarm.com/eg-article/46709da5de6be

You basically let material stream into a black hole, it forms an acreation disk which gets very hot and dense even before the material actually falls into the black hole. The temperatture and pressure is high enough to trigger nucleosynthetic fusion reactions that generate heavy elements from lighter stuff, like the abundant hydrogen and helium. And a lot of "process heat" that can be used as energy source for other purposes. :)

NKosmatos• 1 year ago

Or it could be the sun eating dragon :-)

Joking aside, it could be a Kardashev Type II (or higher) civilization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale

They could have used a dense Dyson sphere to “suck” the energy of the star, but if that was the case we would be able to detect its infrared radiation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere

Anyway, I prefer the giant star eating dragon alternative ;-)

chgs• 1 year ago

And then where does it go?

adonovan• 1 year ago

Perhaps a superadvanced civilization training an AI model on all remaining negative entropy in their solar system so they can more effectively create realistic propaganda for the upcoming election on their now rather chilly mars colony.

keepamovin• 1 year ago

Or something just moved in front of it. It did not rage against the dying of the light, the definition of out with a whimper.

y42• 1 year ago

As many as 30 percent of such stars, it seems, may quietly collapse into black holes — no supernova required.

WhitneyLand• 1 year ago

Like people spent years of their life scientifically studying the problem and didn’t think of this before making the claim?

It was multi-wave analysis not just visible light, IR spread can differentiate this.

It’s been missing since 2015. Probability of something being large enough to cover the star and stay on a path completely obscuring it for 10 years is shall we say, not likely.

It didn’t rage against the dying of the light, it just switched off.

gpvos• 1 year ago

TFA says the astronomers checked for that. It's still a possibility, but pretty unlikely.

amelius• 1 year ago

What is the timespan of such an event?

ben_w• 1 year ago

Depends how you define the boundry of the event itself, both in space and in time.

Stellar cores are relatively small, and the infalling matter is essentially in freefall at high g, gets to a significant fraction of c in about 0.1 seconds.

The visible disk of a red supergiant — of the kind that can supernova or surprise us by failing — is on the order of multiple AU radius, so speed of light limits there are in the tens of minutes.

andrewstuart• 1 year ago

It’s a weird and scary thought.

Imagine seeing that up fairly close - a massive star just shrivel into a black hole and wink out.

pavel_lishin2• 1 year ago

I'd love to see a realistic render of this.

bell-cot2• 1 year ago

Here's a short (12 page) and pretty easy article from The Astrophysical Journal (2003), about end of life for massive stars. And why some would "directly" collapse (no big & bright supernova) into black holes.

https://open.clemson.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&co...

therealfiona• 1 year ago

Here is an article about some JWST data of the star.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2309.16121

mikhailfranco• 1 year ago

  As many as 30 percent of such stars 
  may quietly collapse into black holes
  no supernova required.

where 'such' refers to 25 solar mass stars.

Is that a significant contribution to 'dark matter'?

A star appears to have collapsed straight into a black hole without supernova (2017)

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