What makes lost boys such easy marks for cons

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle-columnists/arid-41592826.html

by colinprince • 1 year ago

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imtringued• 1 year ago

Because they grew up without fathers.

throwbadubadu• 1 year ago

That seems very wrong conclusion. How did you come to that?

ang_cire4• 1 year ago

He listened to JBP too much.

haburka• 1 year ago

It’s worrying that people really don’t understand the appeal of pseudo philosophers like Tate and Jordan Peterson. It’s not the same as gambling. It’s really much more complex than that. Gambling is an irrational, desperate act that takes advantage of magical thinking.

The new “manosphere” exists and is popular because they actually are speaking to and engaging with men. Men have issues and frankly there’s no one (that I know of) on the left who’s giving any kind of antidote or guidance on the problems.

Personally I can’t stand the likes of Tate, simply because they embrace a form of masculinity that I find to be repulsive. But when they speak, I find a direct sense of empathy that’s just completely missing from any other talking head. I also feel the same empathy in many fictional movies like “A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood (2019)” or “Good Will Hunting.”

TeaBrain• 1 year ago

It’s worrying that people really don’t understand the appeal of pseudo philosophers like Tate and Jordan Peterson

Rather than gatekeeping the quality of being a philosopher, it may be better to criticize the issues with their philosophies.

drooby• 1 year ago

You're completely right..

The left is afraid to invest in men's issues out of fear of suppressing efforts of uplifting women. It's a fallacy.

To thread this needle, the left can and should frame men's advocacy as a form of women's health issues. Men and women are obviously interdependent... healthy men means healthy women.

Another good first step is acknowledging the biological differences that influence men to behave the way they do (testosterone, being one major factor).. but things like this starts to complicate other ideologies about sex and gender.. it's a mess..

kolinko2• 1 year ago

Hear hear.

(warning - politics below)

Although if left tried to frame men’s issues as female issues, I personally would be offended.

A better way would be to start with non-controversial male issues (mental help to prevent suicides? homelessness?), and work up from there (equal taxation & riterement, military, equal treatment in family courts, support in domestic violence cases…)

As a side note - I don’t get why left is so afraid of pissing radical feminists off. It’s not like they will begin to vote right wing.

dleeftink• 1 year ago

the left

As in, the global left? Whose left are we talking about here? Biological differences are well acknowledged in modern diversity programs, but it's exactly those programs that are now being questioned. A less 'zero sum' view of social progress may be a better way forward, we all lift up one another.

harimau7772• 1 year ago

Something that I find funny is that in my experience trans people are often pretty upfront about the biological differences between "men" and "women". After all, many of them have experienced both male and female hormone profiles.

gainda• 1 year ago

frankly there’s no one (that I know of) on the left who’s giving any kind of antidote or guidance on the problems.

I'm not deeply knowledgeable about the following community but are spaces like HealthyGamerGG doing the right thing?

ang_cire4• 1 year ago

There are people on the Left discussing the real root causes of the current societal de-valuation of young men (and everyone else), but "you're a victim of the capitalist raiding of our social coffers by oligarchs, who at the same time tell you it's women's fault to misdirect your anger away from they who are the real reason your job pays as little as it can, and you can't afford a house" requires so much more foundational work to explain than the people blaming women and 'wokeness' have to do.

It also, as you alluded to, doesn't make them out as some direct main-character-esque target of this system, just collateral damage, which doesn't feel like empathy the same way that saying, "you're right, you are being personally attacked. People do hate you as an individual just for who you are." feels like.

Telling someone that they need to stand together and fight the top-down dismantling of our society for profit is also a much larger ask than telling them it's fine to stew in their hate, watch another JBP video on YouTube, and "clean your room".

Rhetoric against easy scapegoats often wins out over truth: it did so in WW2 Germany, and it's well on its way to doing so again here.

harimau7772• 1 year ago

I think that an additional factor might be the feeling of being part of something. I grew up very conservative and only became progressive later in life. A lot of my friends on the left are shocked when I say that there's a sense in which I miss the sense of purpose, mission, and community that the right provided. Even just watching Fox News there was constant messaging that you're part of the "real Americans" who are fighting back against "the liberals".

I'm very glad that my life experiences opened my eyes and I moved to the left, but that doesn't mean I don't still miss some aspects of being on the right.

rsynnott3• 1 year ago

Tate is also literally selling get-rich-quick scams to a vulnerable population, though. Like, the author is not just using that as a metaphor: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/20/andrew-tate-mo...

aagha• 1 year ago

Check out Prof G. - Scott Galloway. He's a big advocate for young men.

teq1237128• 1 year ago

"The fact is, the vast majority of the problems facing young men in Ireland and the UK are the same as those facing young women; rising cost of living, precarious work, a shrinking social safety net."

What could possibly cause a housing crisis and work shortage in Ireland? What indeed?

Perhaps the thing that is forbidden to talk about?

As long as the mainstream press evades that question, people will go to Jordan Peterson. Who will also not solve the issues (the Daily Wire was founded by fracking billionaires).

rsynnott3• 1 year ago

The housing crisis in Ireland was caused by the state allowing the construction industry to die off almost entirely after the financial crisis (likely driven by incorrect projections that assumed that Ireland would return to our traditional pre-90s perma-recession, with the working-age population largely going back to emigrating). Most developed countries kept the construction sector on life support to some extent after the bubble burst, but in Ireland it essentially vanished.

Today, Ireland has the highest rate of housing unit completions per capita per year in the OECD, but it still isn’t enough, because there was a decade where housing completions were, essentially, _zero_ per year.

A secondary factor is a fairly painful planning process; getting planning can take _years_, and is subject to derailment via judicial review. This hits both housing directly, and infrastructure essential to housing. There are currently four major Dublin rail projects in advanced states of planning (DART+ West, DART+ Southwest, DART+ North, Metrolink), which, combined, will more or less double peak-time rail commuting capacity. Metrolink has been dramatically delayed by planning objections, and DART+ West is now under judicial review, and may be, ah, derailed.

K0balt5• 1 year ago

At least Mr Peterson will tell them to clean their room, though.

Frankly, I never understood the hate for JP, at least in the things I have seen, he doesn’t seem to be misogynistic or transphobic, the primary things he seems to be accused of?

It seems more like he vocally doesn’t believe in many of the dominant far left paradigms and that got him on the bad list?

Or am I missing something where he displays sexism and bigotry that I just haven’t seen?

Always been a bit curious about that whole situation. Maybe he went off the deep end after what I saw.

sexyman48• 1 year ago

Primarily their 80s haircuts and their combustibility in daylight.

K0balt5• 1 year ago

lol. My first thought as well.

What makes lost boys such easy marks for cons

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