Tariffs Are Proving 'Big Headache' for Tech Giants, Says Foxconn

https://www.ft.com/content/cc290f55-e45a-42b1-bf2d-cf323053fade

by m463 • 1 year ago

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Trasmatta• 1 year ago

Maybe tech giants shouldn't have been so quick to trip over themselves to kiss the ring

wenwolf2• 1 year ago

I like even less how they use slander lawsuit settlements to achieve bribes. I imagine it would be hard for anyone else who would have to counter evidence that they raped their ex-wife to sue people because more recent sex crimes were not rapes.

I can't imagine someone as rich as Bezos doesn't have expensive advisors who have told him the patterns suggest that his best move for his businesses is to at least fake that he can get in a testosterone war with Trump through his paper.. So the likely explanations for why he hasn't that I can think of are not kind.

skybrian• 1 year ago

Maybe the tariff should be a separate line item, like sales tax?

wenwolf2• 1 year ago

Sounds like airline bills.. I don't really see how that has worked out for them.

daveguy• 1 year ago

At least you specifically see what each charge is costing you.

mastax• 1 year ago

That’s how it is at DigiKey and some other B2B focused distributors.

sourtrident• 1 year ago

It's wild - tariffs meant to shield U.S. interests end up giving Apple and Foxconn headaches, shifting their entire strategy. Reminds me of closing one door only to notice everyone's sneaking in through the window. Protectionism might feel good, but tech always finds another route around.

brookst• 1 year ago

I’m skeptical the tariffs were mean to shield US interests rather than just being intended to do exactly what they’re achieving: isolating the US by driving investment and allies away, while contributing to a recession where oligarchs can further consolidate power and wealth.

If you look at them as an attack on the US, everything makes a lot more sense.

__MatrixMan__2• 1 year ago

Agreed, it's exactly what I'd do if I wanted the US to withdraw from global relevance.

9283409232• 1 year ago

This is the correct way of thinking about it. The tariffs aren't meant to drive economic growth, they are meant to tank the economy and drive a wedge between the US and allies. The ultimate goal is to start a recession and an extra bonus goal would be to get US army bases in Europe shut down. That would make Putin extra happy.

tempodox• 1 year ago

Yep, when Trump is through America will lie in ruins.

oceanplexian2• 1 year ago

Isolating the US by driving investment and allies away

Foreign government's have an easy solution to solve the problem.

Don't unfairly advantage your goods and services against American products and we won't do the same. Free trade shouldn't mean "Free trade for one side". Free trade should be contingent on reciprocity, both in terms of social and economic alignment.

whoisthemachine• 1 year ago

I think the idea is definitely to trigger a recession, but I doubt they care about "allies"; this crowd loved the zero-interest rate days. A strong enough recession should bring those back without the drama of the president forcing the fed chief to do so through coercion.

jonplackett• 1 year ago

They don’t really want to collect tariff $. They want to force production in the US, which the article says is what they are going to do. That’s not a window being jumped through, that’s the intent. Or am I missing something here?

andrewmcwatters• 1 year ago

No, you're not missing anything. That's the intent.

tzs• 1 year ago

But Trump is also saying that he wants to get rid of income taxes and replace them with tariffs. That suggests that they do want to actually collect tariff dollars long term.

Terr_2• 1 year ago

They don’t really want to collect tariff $. [...] Or am I missing something here?

You may have missed where Trump and apparatchiks repeatedly stated they want to collect so many billions of dollars from tariffs that it replaces Federal Income Tax. [0]

Do they really want that in their souls? With the benefit of the past few years, I say that's the wrong question. Hanlon's Razor [1] fails on some pathological inputs, flavors of bullshit that cause it to time-out and situations where the costly result has no practical value. Sometimes it's just malcompetence.

[0] https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/20/economy/trump-abolish-irs/ind...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

unavoidable4• 1 year ago

You have to look past the stated intention. It's quite clear by logical deduction that it cannot be the stated purpose.

If the policy is intended to bring back US manufacturing, it would not be haphazardly implemented where the rates/industries/countries affected change by the hour. The best example are auto tariffs and steel/aluminum tariffs, which are going to absolutely destroy US auto manufacturing (where do we think the steel and aluminum used in cars are coming from?). An actual "reshoring" policy would be (1) targeted and (2) scheduled well in advance. So it obviously isn't that.

It also can't be part of a drug policy, since whatever Trump is saying about Canada is clearly false (Canada accounts for less than 1% of illicit fentanyl trade and is a net _importer_ of illegal drugs and guns _from_ the US), thus no policy can really impact this trade.

It also clearly can't be part of an energy policy, since US refineries are designed to accept a huge amount of Canadian and South American heavy crude (very little of which is produced in the US), so the oil tariffs can't possibly "onshore" more production of heavy crude.

The long-held theory by some that he's wrecking the economy for insider trading also doesn't make sense, because his favoured allies like Musk are losing tons of money right now, and an "insider trading" strategy would be much more regularly spaced rather than changing by-the-hour.

That leaves, by deduction, only a few possibilities:

* Trump really is intentionally wrecking the economy, for known or unknown reasons:

* He's wrecking the economy by instruction from a foreign agent (e.g. Putin - certainly indirect evidence exists)

* He's wrecking the economy because his donors told him to (e.g. Musk, other billionaires - unlikely because why would they want that? They would rather have the stock market go straight up, right?)

* He's wrecking the economy so that his "friends" can trade on the market with insider information (see above - seems unlikely based on the pattern)

* He's wrecking the economy so that his "friends" can buy things cheaply (would have been plausible but for the widespread collateral damage he's causing)

* Trump actually genuinely believes in tariffs (he's a product of the 80s after all)

* Trump actually genuinely hates Mexico, Canada, Europe, and China (seems plausible based on his personality and that of his political base)

* Trump really has no idea what he's doing (judge for yourself)

m4632• 1 year ago

I think apple still makes the mac pro in the US.

harmmonica• 1 year ago

https://archive.is/rNixb

skylurk• 1 year ago

Offshoring to stable countries is looking really smart now.

BLKNSLVR3• 1 year ago

Exactly. The US has revealed itself to be prone to wild swings of policy, which will not be a lesson soon forgotten by prior trade allies.

Even if sanity and democracy are brought back by a future adminstration, the US public have proven they can't be trusted not to vote in another clone of their current dictator. DJT Jnr and Barron will probably have a shot at the title in the not too distant future to maintain some kind of North Korean-like dynasty.

There's enough of an undercurrent of overconfident, no-consequence, chest thumping "individuality and independence" in the US that, unless complete ruination occurs this time around, they'll vote for having another bash at complete ruination.

Good trade relations is what keeps the trust and respect for the laws of the US in place in other developed countries. Copyright for example. If the US isn't a reliable trade partner then their power to influence copyright laws around the world would rapidly diminish, which Disney wouldn't be happy with. (I'm sure there are other examples of this, but international US copyright Law is one I'm vaguely familiar with. Use of the US Dollar for trade is another possible avenue for decline of US global influence).

Yes, the US could be self sufficient to keep it's entire population alive and well, but not with the lifestyles to which many of them have become accustomed.

whatshisface3• 1 year ago

The US doesn't need to prove to the world that a bad president will never be elected again, which as you say is probably impossible and definitely false. What the US can do to rejoin the world in something akin to its former capacity is to walk back the extreme levels of authority granted to an individual who changes every four years (why is the executive able to change tariff levels every day?) in a way that relatively elevates rule of law and deliberative, compromising decision making.

jiggawatts• 1 year ago

Disney wouldn't be happy with

... and something like half of the companies comprising the US GDP.

Much of the value that the US exports heavily depends on foreign nations enforcing intellectual property rights for the US.

If the world decided that the US is hostile and stopped enforcing US trademarks, patents, copyright, and trade secrets... it would be over for the US economy.

Any software could be "stolen" legally by anyone and sold under the original name and the US could do nothing about this except stomp their feet and threaten military invasion.

China and Russia already do this to an extent, but if everyone else did it too, it would be curtains for: The entire US game industry, movie industry, music industry, software industry, and more. Pharma and manufacturing would take a hit too.

standardUser• 1 year ago

Everyone hates tariffs because everyone hates taxes. If a government uses protectionism for a specific policy goal, like developing a domestic auto industry, that can be very effective and we've seen that work lots of times in lots of countries. The US may have recently managed to achieve this with microchip production.

But when tariffs are applied broadly we all pay more in taxes. And it's worse than a more familiar increase in sales or income tax because it can absolutely wreck supply chains.

unavoidable4• 1 year ago

If tariffs work at all (which is doubtful), they're supposed to be part of an overarching plan with a long-term strategy in coordination with industry so that they can actually invest in creating new manufacturing. It certainly isn't going to work when tariffs are going on-off-on-off-25%-200%-10%-off-on-sometimes-off-on again. How in the world is _anyone_, American or otherwise, supposed to plan around this?

Terr_2• 1 year ago

Also, they shouldn't be part of 4-front trade war against the country's biggest partners comprising >50% of all trade.

"Do something or we'll trade with somebody else" is not a credible threat if they know you've already pissed off everybody else.

CPLX2• 1 year ago

If tariffs work at all (which is doubtful)

Of course they work. China has used them to go from people living in huts to the high tech manufacturing center of the world.

mixermachine2• 1 year ago

For me (European) this is an incentive to first check if there is an non-us alternative for the product from another country.

Quite sad times. I liked the 2000s and 2010s with rather free trade a lot.

spacemadness2• 1 year ago

This administration works on threats and chaos. Trump said Biden’s CHIPS act was “horrible, horrible” and all he had to do was threaten Taiwanese chip companies instead. I can’t imagine anyone with any power in this admin organizing something strategically. It’s all ego and vibes.

pjc50• 1 year ago

Chip on shoring may lose its subsidy: https://www.reuters.com/technology/trump-wants-kill-527-bill...

orwin• 1 year ago

Tariffs are little better than VAT/sales taxes as taxes imho (I'd rather have more progressive taxes like LVT, inheritance, wealth or at worse income), but in most countries, VAT is set extremely low on essential products like food. Setting global tariffs is idiotic. At least let the food and AG products free.

GeekyBear• 1 year ago

Brazil and India have both successfully forced Apple to move production onto their soil using tarrifs in the past.

If the object is to bring in local manufacturing jobs, it's hard to claim that tarrifs can not be successful.

However, you can naturally expect vocal opposition from companies that want to avoid higher labor costs.

In the case of India, it's worked out very well as a proof of concept after Apple decided to reduce their reliance on China.

Apple Aims to Make a Quarter of the World’s iPhones in India

https://www.wsj.com/tech/apple-aims-to-make-a-quarter-of-the...

piva002• 1 year ago

While tariffs have been used as a protectionism measure in Brazil for decades, and before tariffs there was a complete import ban for a lot of manufactured goods during the military dictatorship. It never ever helped local industrialisation, instead the country is stuck paying absurd prices for electronics goods while the local production, research and development, etc. are extremely subpar.

It only helped locally produced shoddy products to win a larger market share, quality is underwhelming since they don't have to compete with more better products at the same price.

fnordian• 1 year ago

Everyone hates tariffs because they are now created by the executive branch of the government at a whim of one person. Undermining democracy and creating economic uncertainty globally.

krapp2• 1 year ago

Americans wanted small government, and the smallest possible government is one raging asshole.

Tariffs Are Proving 'Big Headache' for Tech Giants, Says Foxconn

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