Hyundai to offer free NACS DC EV adapters to enhance charging convenience

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/4339

by gnabgib • 2 years ago

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dylan6045• 2 years ago

So this is just the adapter. That's fine I guess if doing the absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way they want to go, but some people like to express themselves by doing more.

I don't remember which car company (Ford maybe??) is paying for a home charger install at the buyer's home (I'm assuming a single family dwelling type of restriction). Clearly trying to entice more sales. So the ad kind of worked, except not so well that I remember exactly which maker it is doing this. Good job ad guys!

drewnick• 2 years ago

Ford is offering the home charger installation, or a $1000 public charging credit. I'm trying to shop for one of these trucks right now, and my sense is that the dealers are not a big fan of EVs and are almost actively working against Ford. The buying process is extremely painful compared to my last two purchases from pure EV manufacturers.

GiorgioG3• 2 years ago

Sure they’re against them - they’re much simpler to service and most likely significantly more reliable. Given that dealers typically make most of their money on service (repairs) than on sales of vehicles, it’s no wonder they’re more likely to be biased against EVs. I have an ICE F-150 (2016) and I can’t fathom only having 240ish miles of range. I’ll wait 5 years for the 450 mile version.

eagerpace• 2 years ago

It’s not your imagination. GM and F are awful about this. They even significantly curtailed their plans for training and updating dealers to support EVs better.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/13/ford-ends-ev-dealership-prog...

It’s an under-appreciated intangible “innovation” from Tesla that you can order a car as simply as you can order from Amazon. People hate car dealers with good reason.

NotSammyHagar4• 2 years ago

Well of course dealers don't want to sell you EVs. They have far far less maintenance than an ICE car. There are less options on many of them. And the biggest reason is that they know their customers who try 'non-dealer' sellers like Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid are far happier overall. And the EVs plus dealers are clearly not matching the good things that come from Tesla or Rivian. Another example, there's basically no need for an annual service visit. The dealers are trying to make kind of silly service visits, charging $100 to rotate the tires. https://www.insideevsforum.com/community/index.php?threads/s...

There are problems with no-dealer companies, when they are in initial stages it can be hard to get repairs if there is no local service center. Rivian is still growing a lot and can get behind, Tesla seems to have basically built out enough service in a lot of places but also can get behind. But even real auto dealers can get behind too.

stetrain3• 2 years ago

In the last 5 years the only real service my EV has had is a 12V battery replacement (done under warranty), cabin air filters, wipers/wiper fluid, and tire rotations.

And those can pretty easily be done DIY or at a local tire shop.

I can imagine why dealerships may not be pleased, and have heard about other EV brands having things like recommended $300 annual service visits where the dealership basically does the above items and checks for software updates. I guess some people will pay it and that might help keep the dealerships from being too mad about the changes.

ajp• 2 years ago

When I was shopping for a new car, Hyundai had an offer for a free Lvl 2 home charger (though not installation) with the new car purchase on the Ioniq 6.

semi-extrinsic• 2 years ago

To be fair, a Level 2 charger probably costs them less than $200, it's not a crazy thing to throw in with a $50 000 car.

tw042• 2 years ago

This has nothing to do with at-home charging. This is so that Hyundai’s that have already been sold can utilize NACS high speed chargers (Tesla). And to future proof them as other vendors move to the NACS standard.

dylan6045• 2 years ago

I never claimed this had anything to do with at-home charging. I'm comparing this incentive to another car company's incentive. Hyundai is trying to make charging the EV less of a hassle. That incentive is still much less convenient than the other car company paying for a charger in your home.

r00fus3• 2 years ago

Absolute minimum would be working with Tesla to ensure your vehicles are permitted to charge at SuperChargers but require your customers to buy an adapter ($200) so free adapter is definitely a step up in my book.

I'm not sure what installing an L2 home charger does for anyone who has range anxiety for trips. Most people who have an EV and can install an L2 charger (ie, life in a SFH that they own) probably already have done so.

aidenn02• 2 years ago

I still use a L1 charger in a SFH because an overnight charge at L1 speeds is 3x my daily driving usage, so I haven't bothered to hire an electrician.

peutetre• 2 years ago

working with Tesla to ensure your vehicles are permitted to charge at SuperChargers

Permitted is a funny perspective. You should be demanding compatibility in charging infrastructure.

Incompatible infrastructure makes EVs worse than ICE vehicles. All brands of charger must charge all brands of EV, just as all brands of fuel station fuel all brands of ICE vehicle. Anything less is backward and primitive.

Europe sorted this out a long time ago. Slowly North America is getting there by standardizing on CCS with the J3400 plug.

kccqzy• 2 years ago

Hyundai also had an in-home charger installation incentive.

SideburnsOfDoom2• 2 years ago

doing the absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way they want to go

It isn't the way they are going, no. Hyundais and Kias in the USA will have native NACS ports in all 2025 models onwards. Starting with Ioniq 5 shipping in Q1 2025, I believe.

Adapters are the short-term "stopgap".

Sources:

"Hyundai Is About To Have More EVs With NACS Plugs Than Tesla ... In the United States, all-new or refreshed Hyundai EVs will come exclusively with a NACS port, beginning in Q4 2024."

https://insideevs.com/news/742221/hyundai-kia-genesis-nacs-c...

"Hyundai’s first EV with native Tesla Supercharging is the new Ioniq 5"

https://www.theverge.com/2024/9/3/24235272/hyundai-2025-ioni...

dylan6045• 2 years ago

So they are not selling the rest of the 2024 inventory anywhere? That's the incentive on getting people to buy the '24 model. They need all the help they can get to clear the '24s out so more '25s can take their place on the lot.

buyer: "I like the '24, but the charging port is inconvenient"

seller: "Fret not, we offer this handy dandy adapter. Please please please buy this car"

stetrain3• 2 years ago

That's fine I guess if doing the absolute minimum to make the thing work is the way they want to go

They're also switching all of their EVs to use native NACS ports next year for the North American market. New customers won't need this adapter, their cars will come with an adapter in the other direction (CCS to NACS).

They also have various offers at different times for including a home charger + installation and/or free charging credits at Electrify America stations.

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/3945

https://www.hyundaiusa.com/us/en/special-programs/electrify-...

They are also part of the IONNA group which is going to be building a lot of DC fast chargers across North America.

https://www.hyundainews.com/en-us/releases/4071

zacharycohn2• 2 years ago

It was Hyundai. Hyundai gives you a free ChargePoint charger and $600 towards installation. (or at least they did a year ago when I got my Ioniq 5)

aidenn02• 2 years ago

They did not offer that with my Kona Electric purchased this year. Probably because they are offering a $7500 rebate to match the rebates for US produced cars.

nothercastle• 2 years ago

Anyone know when sign ups actually come online?

quadog• 2 years ago

It says Q1 of 2025.

ponector• 2 years ago

While other vendor offer a device with which you can hack and drive Hyundai/Kia vehicles within few minutes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/electricvehicles/comments/1durgih/h...

zacharycohn2• 2 years ago

And almost every other brand of car, EV or ICE.

LeoPanthera3• 2 years ago

"Offer" - for tens of thousands of dollars.

0xbadcafebee3• 2 years ago

I'm amazed there isn't more talk about how bad the nationwide charging infrastructure is. Non-Tesla public chargers are a disaster. Terribly engineered, buggy as hell, constantly failing, perpetually out of date, improperly configured, insecure. As someone who has worked with them, I would probably not buy an EV at all unless I could use the Tesla chargers, so thank god that's an option now.

rpgwaiter• 2 years ago

Non-tesla infra has gotten a lot better over the past couple years, at least according to this one YouTube EV road trip I watched recently: https://youtu.be/ouPiwt5hxXQ

sipjca• 2 years ago

It’s still not great. I drove I5 North for the holidays and at one stop there was an hour+ long wait at Electrify America. Only 3/4 stalls working and a queue 5 or 6 deep to charge. At the same stop there were 12+ Tesla chargers and no issue with wait and not fully occupied

0xbadcafebee3• 2 years ago

My team was working with 2 non-tesla charging vendors this summer. Terrible, couldn't get them to work, waiting weeks for the vendors to fix their shit, no support, no documentation (seriously). It was like a college intern who went through a bootcamp tried to throw one together. Wouldn't trust them to make a USB charger.

LeoPanthera3• 2 years ago

Since you don't own an EV, you probably haven't noticed how much better they've got in the past year. There's been a huge improvement, and many of them are now considerably faster than Tesla chargers, especially if you have an 800v car.

crusty• 2 years ago

TLDR: The charging infrastructure and charging capacity of vehicles is getting pretty good, but the logistics of the charging stations are awful and either have never been considered or were set down when charging was going to be a multiple hours long ordeal.

I've been vicariously experiencing the adjustment to EV life through a busy of mine who recently got an Ioniq 5 (2024, so not the tesla charging port). He does not have access to charging at home but does have the 2 years of free* charging at Electrify America (EA) stations. The charge infrastructure isn't that bad for him. While EV stations aren't nearly as prevalent as gas stations, he has multiple EA station options within his regular driving radius, and far more of he were to leave the EA network. Though it's LA, so it's probably the best in the US.

The biggest issue isn't finding a station or being confronted with nonfunctional chargers, it's the variability of charging duration among users and the pre-charging wait logistics. He gets 30 minutes of charging per day for free, but as long as he goes to a 350V charger, he'll hit 80% regardless of his initial charge state in under 30 minutes. Often, he's charging from around 40% to 80-something in under 15 minutes.

The trouble starts with the uniqueness of his car's charging rate. Plenty of EVs are not designed to charge at that rate, and it's a waste to have them slowly stopping electrons from the fire hose of the highest voltage chargers.

Combine mismatch that with the initial considerations of charge points/stations, when EVs took so long to charge that there was no point in considering a queue waiting to hook up because no one would ever wait for potentially hours and hours for the one car let along two or more car's ahead of them to charge and depart. So EV stations weren't designed like gas stations, they just get stuck in little pockets of empty space or on the periphery of a parking lot, probably marketed to the lot owners as a was to lie in potential shoppers who are going to have to spend the hour or more while they wait for their cars to charge doing something, so why not spending money at the mall or grocery store the chargers are in the lot of.

Unfortunately, while that's how the EV stations have developed, that's not really how the cars have. Sure, he might get stuck at a charging station in line behind a Nissan Leaf on 10% battery, but it seems easy more likely he'll be in line for 1 of 3 chargers with 4 or 5 other fairly fast charging EVs. So now he's in the supermarket parking lot awkwardly positioned with a bunch of other EV drivers vigilantly minding a virtual queue communicated through raised eyebrows, grimaces, and expressive stink-eye. There's often probably enough time waiting his turn to go on and do some shopping, but there's no way to do that and maintain the queue. Once he's hooked up, there's usually only enough time to run through like it was a gas station convenience store.

Upvoter33• 2 years ago

I have a Hyundai Ioniq 5, and as such, applaud this.

That said, it won't affect my life much. I mostly commute, and for that, just trickle charge at home (very slow) or plug in at work when I need a faster boost. It's funny how little range anxiety matters if you don't drive long range.

titaniumtown• 2 years ago

Exact same boat here, Ioniq 5 owner. Destination charging and trickle charging at home does everything I need. I will still apply for this though! Super cool.

DrConspiracyPhD• 2 years ago

I wonder if this announcement applies to Canadian owners as well?

Hyundai to offer free NACS DC EV adapters to enhance charging convenience

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