.NET Support on Heroku

https://blog.heroku.com/dotnet-support-on-heroku

by runesoerensen • 2 years ago

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matthewfcarlson2• 2 years ago

Yawn- heroku used to be my go-to but hasn't been for years.

matthewfcarlson2• 2 years ago

On the other hand, it's nice to see them support the dotnet (I'm assuming through a well supported engine like mono).

mythz• 2 years ago

Mono has been transferred to the WineHQ Organization [1] and is no longer recommended or supported by Microsoft.

.NET is the only (cross-platform) server runtime anyone should consider running Server Apps on.

[1] https://www.mono-project.com

runesoerensen3• 2 years ago

It’s actually using official .NET (which is now cross-platform and works very well on Heroku’s platform).

Also see https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/dotnet-heroku-support-...

MortyWaves• 2 years ago

Mono? What next, Heroku announces support for the newly released Python 2???

kdamica• 2 years ago

What do you use now?

CharlieDigital• 2 years ago

Not the poster you replied to, but try Google Cloud Run or Azure Container Apps.

Both scale to zero, are portable, and allow full use of your language/runtime/framework of choice. Take any app you are deploying to instance compute today and add a Dockerfile and ship it.

AWS App runner comes close, but doesn't have the option to scale to zero.

ch4s3• 2 years ago

I think Render is pretty good. https://render.com/

recursive• 2 years ago

Thanks for your insightful comment.

rtpg2• 2 years ago

Heroku is still probably the platform that offers the most well built-out "here's all your operational needs for the first N years of your business" system, without causing you to have to deal with a billion concepts.

I have found Heroku to be going downhill a lot, but after moving away from it I often feel a bit of regret from this decision. You get _so much_ operational niceness out of the box with Heroku.

runesoerensen3• 2 years ago

We’ve been working the next generation of Heroku - and actually also launching that this week! Check out our post on it here https://blog.heroku.com/planting-new-platform-roots-cloud-na...

thanksgiving• 2 years ago

Really glad to read there is a local story.

Today, OCI images are the new cloud executables. By moving to OCI artifacts, all Fir apps will be using images with compatibility across different environments. This means you can build your application once, run it locally, and deploy it anywhere, without worrying about vendor lock-in or compatibility issues.

Is this something I can try out locally without signing up for heroku first?

jrochkind1• 2 years ago

It is encouraging to see that heroku is actually working on rolling new things out -- for a bit it hasn't clear if it was just in frozen "squeezing all the juice out with as little investment as possible" mode forever.

I'm having trouble interpreting that blog post to understand what it might actually mean for me or if I'd want to use it or what advantages it would have, looking forward to learning more.

emilsedgh• 2 years ago

We've been on Heroku Enterprise for 8 years now. I read your comment and clicked on the link with so much enthusiasm.

Duh. You guys have completely forgotten who your audience is. Your audience is _application developers_. I have no idea what all that mambo jambo means in that article _and thats why I pay Heroku_.

I'm on Heroku because I don't want to know about cloud native and fir and open telemtry are. You tell me I should get excited on Heroku? How about improving your autoscaling options so the narrow response-time-based scaling is not the only option?

All that article tells me is that you guys are maybe improving your underlying infrastructure. Meh. Good for you. From a customer (AKA Application Developer) perspective nothing has changed.

paxys3• 2 years ago

Marketing speak aside, I'm curious what is actually changing for the end developer in the "next generation". Heroku already supports building and deploying containers, and that will presumably continue.

baconlorem2• 2 years ago

You all really are living in the future, says it was last updated tomorrow XD

chaz6• 2 years ago

I am pleased to see support for OpenTelemetry on the way. As a heavy user of AWS Lambda, the observability provided by X-Ray is invaluable for troubleshooting and improving performance.

czhu12• 2 years ago

Same thing happened to us. Moved to kubernetes 2 years and we had to rebuild all the features of Heroku in house against a kubernetes backend.

I’ve been working in my spare time to try to create an open source version of this, in case it would be useful to anyone else in the future https://github.com/czhu12/canine

cglee• 2 years ago

15 years on Heroku, absolutely no regrets and would do it again and again and again. It's one of those "no one goes there because it's too busy" type of situations. Don't fall for the noise, just use Heroku and move on with your life.

cjonas• 2 years ago

I imagine what it could have been if it wasn't acquired by Salesforce and it makes me sad

wqtz• 2 years ago

I geniunely and strongly believe PaaS and BaaS do not have a sustainable business model for the long term. Most of the platforms are losing money for each user they onboard. No matter how "loved" a platform is they are not actually making money and some point they are going to "get you". All the new platforms are constantly raising money to compensate for the costs and nobody is actually engineering solutions to reduce cost but doing feature engineering that is actually increasing their cost per user.

If Heroku works for you, that is good. Ignore my comment.

tmpz22• 2 years ago

PaaS is just a middleman service providing convenience over more bare bones infrastructure. Look at the entire world of profitable middleman companies and you’ll see there’s plenty of viability in the business model, but it’s not as easy as a golden goose.

rtpg2• 2 years ago

Most of the platforms are losing money for each user they onboard.

I really don't think they're losing money on onboarding, but I can totally see an argument for the fixed costs being so high that it doesn't work out.

theanonymousone2• 2 years ago

I used these so called "build packs" a lot and owe Heroku a great deal in general.

However, when I was "forced to" use Docker containers instead of custom build packs (Heroku also supports them), I didn't look back: It's a non-vendor-locked, portable, industry standard, which works with every framework of my choice, not just Django and Spring Boot. It also doesn't need an extra effort to support.Net, or anything else for that matter.

schneems4• 2 years ago

Cloud Native Buildpacks now produce OCI images. Here’s a tutorial for using them locally https://github.com/heroku/buildpacks/blob/main/docs/ruby/REA...

paxys3• 2 years ago

Huh, this wasn't supported already? Wonder why they decided it was finally time to take the 30 minutes to create an official .NET buildpak now vs 10 years ago when it became cross-platform.

latchkey• 2 years ago

CEO Bob Wise just left for Nvidia to run engineering and operations for DGX Cloud.

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7267639...

eeixlk• 2 years ago

Heroku was revolutionary, but was bought out (salesforce) and stagnated while retaining their 4x cost. More than a few of the addons i've used on heroku have shut down, and you still have to upgrade your app to the new heroku stack regularly, so hosting an app is not maintenance free.

I wish they had maintained momentum and attempted to price competitively, but at this point its probably too late.

martinsnow• 2 years ago

Who's using Heroku these days? The rug pull they managed back in the day akin to Travis ought to have lost them any goodwill.

TiredOfLife• 2 years ago

Those that think aws is too cheap

dluan• 2 years ago

Happy (for the most part) long term heroku customer, this is great to see.

holografix• 2 years ago

In a world of Google Cloud Run, which builds your app from a code base via build packs, streams logs, scales to zero and autoscales (regardless of container size/price), provides SLI/SLO monitoring and definition via point and click, integrates to pull requests on GitHub, directly connects to databases on GCP… the list goes on.

Why would you bother with Heroku?

pjmlp6• 2 years ago

I would say, that in the world of cloud native, it boils down to whom gives less surprise bills, and actually provides humans to talk to when support issues arise.

GCP isn't well seen in that regard.

atraac• 2 years ago

I'm by no means an entrepreneur but I would literally never trust any of my services to Google. Not even email. This is the most evil, profit-centric company that has virtually no user support, nor a care in the world for you. They shittify every single product at some point too. Anything goes down, you're f*led without any means of getting help from a human. Someone someday in the past used the same ip as you and did something bad that got them banned? Say goodbye to your company's Play Store account. I've seen it happen for our client in the past. Zero communications. Google is the reason I moved away from Android App development.

lostmsu• 2 years ago

AFAIK .NET has no first-class support on Google Cloud Run.

martinbaun• 2 years ago

I have so many great memories of my software just running in Heroku, unfortunately it was so easy to switch inbetween machines, that they could never lower their prices and thus it is just not competitive anymore. It costs way too much for a small website.

Kwpolska2• 2 years ago

Developers can now build and deploy applications in C#, F#, and Visual Basic, using frameworks like ASP.NET Core and Blazor

Pretty sure you can't build an ASP.NET Core app in Visual Basic.NET (as it lacks support for some modern language features the framework needs).

pjmlp6• 2 years ago

You can, but not 100%. With class libraries, so it has to be a mix of C# and VB.

F# is on the same spot, hence why I nowadays say CLR has changed meaning to C# Language Runtime, the whole mantra of Common Language Runtime and Common Language Specification compliant libraries are now gone.

neonsunset3• 2 years ago

Have you tried employing either in any recent time? Or is this just what you think is the state of affairs without contextual knowledge?

Kwpolska2• 2 years ago

You may be able to get away with writing some of your business logic in VB.NET, but the actual endpoints, and likely many things around it, must be C#.

F# at least is officially supported for ASP.NET Core, and has official ASP.NET Core templates in Visual Studio.

tuananh• 2 years ago

i remember deis. it's just like heroku but self-hosted. the experience is pretty amazing.

then k8s happened. deis workflows adopts k8s but it's never finished. deis team acquired by Microsoft not long after iirc.

.NET Support on Heroku

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