Incredibly Ambitious SMB 3 Hack Released After 12 Years

by CM30 • 2 years ago

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umvi• 2 years ago

Looks great. In the same vein I also enjoyed the rom hack "Super Mario Bros. 3mix". One of the worlds is space themed and features Mario Galaxy style gravity hijinks.

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/2068/

CM305• 2 years ago

Oh yeah I remember 3Mix. It's got some incredibly interesting mechanics and world themes, and it felt like a huge step forward for the Mario 3 hacking scene.

I also interviewed its developer at one point too:

https://gamingreinvented.com/interview/lets-interview-super-...

(also did the same for the creator of the hack mentioned in this post too)

a2tech• 2 years ago

This is super Mario bros 3, not server messaging block v3 if you were as confused as me

CM305• 2 years ago

I genuinely did not know that the acronym had another use, apologies. Apparently Wikipedia thinks it can refers to Server Messaging Block, Super Mario Bros 3 or Super Mega Baseball 3:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMB3

Sakos• 2 years ago

Really glad to see Super Mega Baseball 3 is getting the recognition it deserves.

nyanpasu64• 2 years ago

BRB going back in time and drugging Sega into making Super Monkey Ball 3 instead of whatever they were thinking with Adventure...

snapplebobapple4• 2 years ago

Thanks for making my heart skip a few beats thinking I was going to have a butt load of mitigation work to do for my cifs shares at the office starting immediately and ruining the last day of my weekend....

logifail• 2 years ago

google.com/search?q=smb+3 agrees - SMB 3 is the network file sharing protocol

artie_effim• 2 years ago

same - I was like "Oh GAWD, what now...."

snapplebobapple4• 2 years ago

On the bright side, our hearts passed the stress test.

userbinator• 2 years ago

I hope you don't have shares exposed to the Internet.

snapplebobapple4• 2 years ago

no, of course not, but I can't leave security holes wide open regardless. Having the possibility of the users privilege escalating or something like that is enough to ruin a guy's weekend regardless of the lack of direct internet access.

x3n0ph3n3• 2 years ago

Seriously. Change the damn title.

7bit• 2 years ago

It's called SMB. CIFS is an oooooold dialect, not used any longer.

snapplebobapple4• 2 years ago

Yah man, I'm old. I lived through the whole creation of all this crap. It will always be CIFS for me because that's what it was when I first encountered it shortly after it was created.

ok123456• 2 years ago

Better archive this before Nintendo DMCAs it.

lbourdages4• 2 years ago

Mario rom hacks are perfectly legal since the only thing that gets distributed is a patch file - the original ROM has to be provided by the user.

Sites like SMW Central[1] contain thousands of hacks and Nintendo hasn't done anything about it.

[1] https://www.smwcentral.net/

black_puppydog• 2 years ago

Then I guess we better archive that entire site before someone new in middle management decides to make a name for themselves by killing it.

loeg• 2 years ago

IP holders (or their representatives) don't always let legality get in the way of issuing DMCA notices for content they don't like.

Dwedit• 2 years ago

The patch file will create 95% of a working ROM when applied to a blank file, but not enough to actually create a working ROM. Some important bytes are missing.

Some ROM hack patches WILL create a complete working ROM when applied to a blank file. I don't think those can even be called patches anymore.

zamadatix• 2 years ago

Adding on with a wall of text diving into the specific differences in projects that either have or haven't attracted Nintendo's legal attention (tl;dr: it's a lot more than just visibility/popularity).

While it's always possible Nintendo will just decide to go after these one day (right or wrong in doing so) that they didn't even attempt to touch this particular type of Mario romhacking scene when Mario Maker came out ~10 years ago makes me think these particular types of projects (patchsets on old games without copyright protection) won't receive much trouble. Doubly so for these types of projects which don't (in and of themselves) make the game playable on unofficial systems.

Nintendo seems largely focused on direct redistribution, non-patchset based remakes, "cracking" of modern game DRM/security to allow modification/unauthorized playing, and distribution of gameplay content on media which have stricter takedown requirements than the law strictly requires (e.g. YouTube). This makes some sense as Nintendo has either previously demonstrated these types of cases in court or has previously signalled they believe they could easily do so if challenged.

While Nintendo, right or wrong in a specific instance, could definitely get away with a decent amount of "legal bullying" of individuals not interested in fighting a legal battle with a large company over their hobby website they aren't necessarily going to be interested in picking tons of such battles if they aren't relatively sure they'd win should one actually result in a real court battle. Setting precedent in court that something is explicitly okay (like 3rd party games, emulation, personal game backups) can sometimes be worse than just letting it ride as an "underground" thing. Particularly if they are defending their property elsewhere and it'd be hard for someone to argue in court these romhacks existing is counter to that.

Anyways, this wall of text is to say: sure, nobody knows what Nintendo is going to do tomorrow, but 20 years of romhacks later they've never hinted at going after this particular type of project, despite going after many nearly identical but slightly differently implemented projects, so the same "get it before Nintendo DMCAs it" comment that one would expect from those threads doesn't necessarily hold the same weight. Not that it's an absolute possibility, anything is possible, but if this type of project were the only one then people wouldn't have the "it'll be DMCA'd by tomorrow" notion.

But do back it up anyways... a great deal many more early efforts have been lost to the sands of time than Nintendo's lawyers.

Y_Y• 2 years ago

Are you sure it's not a derivative work?

https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf

CM305• 2 years ago

Eh, 99.9% of fan projects are left alone. The worries about takedowns are seriously overblown alone, even for the likes of Nintendo properties like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon.

There have been projects and sites for those games online for over a decade without any issue, and ones played by hundreds of YouTubers that didn't have anything happen to them.

stelonix• 2 years ago

Used to hang in the same irc room as the author. The asm hacks were impressive at the time. It's crazy it's been 20 years

webdevladder• 2 years ago

This looks incredibly well-designed and documented, can't wait to watch some speed runs!

kristopolous2• 2 years ago

I might just not be seeing it but is there any video with the gameplay to watch?

CM305• 2 years ago

Most I can find is the trailer for the demo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN1ORLvuamI

Unfortunately, the author seems to market their work on Facebook more than anywhere else, without much of a YouTube presence or what not.

Medox• 2 years ago

She does have multiple videos on that channel [1] tough, including development videos [2].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/@DahrkDaiz/videos

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7HQ6jSCf0

kristopolous2• 2 years ago

I watched a 4 hour stream today. I know, I had no idea I was going to watch that long either.

It's really fascinating what has been accomplished

olliej• 2 years ago

I read this as Samba and was super worried for a moment.

Incredibly Ambitious SMB 3 Hack Released After 12 Years

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