X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4dn4z02emo

by trollied • 2 years ago

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meepmorp2• 2 years ago

Can't wait to see the blast radius if the judge decides to block CloudFlare

Qem3• 2 years ago

Probably easier to impound some CloudFlare assets, if any available. But any blocking would follow an escalation process. X itself was only blocked as an remedy of last resort, after months refusing to abide by court decision, refusing to pay fines and firing all employees and self-nuking its own local presence to avoid compliance at all costs. It was even reported[1] X refused to honor severance pay to the employees fired.

[1] https://www.correiobraziliense.com.br/economia/2024/09/69349... (Portuguese)

aksss2• 2 years ago

Wasn't the court threatening to start penalizing the local X ee's as the only local target they had for enforcement actions?

"The social media giant published pictures of a document allegedly signed by Moraes which says a daily fine of 20,000 reais ($3,653) and an arrest decree would be imposed against X representative Rachel Nova Conceicao if the platform did not fully comply to Moraes' orders. 'To protect the safety of our staff, we have made the decision to close our operation in Brazil, effective immediately,' X said."

https://www.reuters.com/technology/x-close-operations-brazil...

viraptor2• 2 years ago

They have other options in practice. If they have the means to block Cloudflare, they also have the means to prevent Twitter domains from resolving. (DoH can be blocked too without a big outage)

tmottabr2• 2 years ago

They don't need any of that..

They just need to send a court order to Cloudflare to have then block Twitter..

That is pretty much what already happened and Cloudflare already replied informing they will isolate Twitter IP range from the rest of the customers..

By this time tomorrow it will be blocked again..

Mountain_Skies• 2 years ago

My understanding is that Brazil's government uses CloudFlare because its sites kept falling to DDOS attacks it couldn't block. If that's accurate, blocking CloudFlare would open the government to DDOS attacks again.

meepmorp2• 2 years ago

Like I said, I can't wait to see the blast radius.

pestatije• 2 years ago

Being an alien he could be extradited if the judge deems so

aksss2• 2 years ago

I believe Musk is a naturalized citizen of the U.S. The legal status of alien refers to one who has not gone through the naturalization process, IIRC.

I'm sure Brazil could attempt to have anyone extradited, regardless of citizenship status.

Whether the US would honor that request or be in any way obligated to is beyond my understanding of the law.

Rzor• 2 years ago

Why didn't Musk attempt the same when India and Turkey did their version of it? Is Brazil worse than them?

In India, which is immersed in an autocratic drift that for months has been choking the media, journalists and critical voices, Twitter has also seconded government bans. To justify the consent, Musk said: “The rules in India for what can appear on social media are quite strict, and we can’t go beyond the laws of a country,” and in doing so put his staff at risk, he added. “If we have a choice of either our people going to prison or us complying with the laws, we will comply with the laws.” This justification came after Twitter removed content related to a BBC documentary that was highly critical of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, which was blocked in January by the Indian government.

https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-05-24/under-el...

PauloManrique3• 2 years ago

Because those countries have laws that back their decisions. We don't. We are a democracy, we have laws - and there are no laws that allows the decisions this judge is taking.

Elon is not questioning our laws, or India or Turkey. He is questioning that the judge is not following our laws and he's right.

Qem3• 2 years ago

Brazilian Marco Civil da Internet[1], the local Internet law, stipulates providers must provide records if presented a court order (Art. 10, § 1º). It also says (Art. 12) failure to comply may lead to the following sanctions, in that order: I - formal warning, II - fines up to controlling group 10% total revenue, III - temporary suspension and IV - activity shutdown at last. So in fact there is proper legal coverage.

[1]. https://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/_ato2011-2014/2014/lei...

X working again in Brazil as Elon Musk finds way around ban (using Cloudflare)

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