Microsoft's latest security update has ruined dual-boot Windows and Linux PCs

https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/21/24225108/microsoft-security-update-windows-linux-dual-boot-errors

by chaychoong • 2 years ago

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neilv• 2 years ago

Dupe: “Something has gone seriously wrong,” dual-boot systems warn after MS update (arstechnica.com) 54 points by WaitWaitWha 11 hours ago | 45 comments | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41310217

SuperNinKenDo• 2 years ago

If anyone is reading this before clicking through to the article, I recommend clicking through to the arstechnica link as it does not feature a god awful cookie popup like the link for this thread does.

tiahura2• 2 years ago

Is dual booting still a thing? I haven’t seen anyone doing it in 20 years.

desiderantes• 2 years ago

I don't think anyone is booting grub or refind in a way that you would notice on public.

mortsnort• 2 years ago

Why wouldn't people be dual booting in 2024? Because of WLS?

tiahura2• 2 years ago

Wls, virtual box, cloud, …

shiroiushi• 2 years ago

In today's sister discussion about Linux on the desktop, several commenters there claim they're dual-booting.

epidemian2• 2 years ago

Why would it stop being a thing?

I've had dual-booted until a couple of years ago, when i decided to ditch Windows for good, since i wasn't playing videogames, and the few i may wanted to play were playable on Steam. If i had needed Windows for a specific videogame or program, i would still be dual-booting today.

mustache_kimono• 2 years ago

Why would it stop being a thing?

Virtualization?

cwbriscoe• 2 years ago

Just run windows in a VM if you need it for anything.

yjftsjthsd-h• 2 years ago

Well... your comment has both the question and an answer: It's quite possible that fewer people bother dual-booting because it's less needed; as WINE/proton gets better and more programs have native Linux support, the need to have a Windows install on hand diminishes.

denimnerd42• 2 years ago

yes? my preferred desktop env is linux.

6th• 2 years ago

I have a triple boot setup. Every OS sucks so why not?

It doesn't hurt to have intact alternate OS's ready to go.

I might only use one Linux regularly but there's a devuan and a vanilla windows (+patches from ~1 year/6mo. ago) - it's really no big deal leaving them be. It's just disk space.

windows will probably get nuked soon cause it's on a gen4 NVME - not using that is a waste.

turtle_heck• 2 years ago

I did for a while in the 2010s but eventually found it too fragile and risky, started booting linux off a removable drive then eventually booting linux and just virtualizing windows, way less risky and I don't care about games so it was fine.

bigiain2• 2 years ago

I have an Intel NUC that has it's original Windows (10) install on it's internal spinning rust drive, and Ubuntu on it's NVME SSD (and a pair of USB drives in software Raid 1)

It's the Windows box I keep around for odd but specific tasks like the running the 3D wing and airfoil simulation software I have, or the CNC mill firmware update tool that only runs Windows. It's also got a few Windows only 3D modelling tools and GCode creation tools that I occasionally need for the laser cutter or CNC mill or one of the 3D printers.

99.9% of it's time is spent booted into Linux running Emby and PiHole and Home Bridge and doing file server duties.

bastard_op• 2 years ago

People are doing this a lot on handhelds like rog ally and others systems to flip between windoze-only games and those that work under Bazzite or other steam deck-ish distributions fine for improved performance and frame rates over windoze. Usually the DRM-laden vermin require windoze still, most everything else works ok enough with proton in linux now.

I also keep windoze in as minimal space as I can using linux full-time to update lenovo firmware on my tb4 dock and system periodically as I've been burned with firmware updates under linux, so 128gb of a disk for windoze is usually a small sacrifice as a fallback.

nightowl_games5• 2 years ago

Your saying some games run better under the windows emulation system than under windows itself?

SJetKaran• 2 years ago

Quite a few people who bought windows laptops, and want to use Linux alongside in it.

senectus1• 2 years ago

absolutely, its very often the gateway to a swap over.

I haven't seen it used much in the enterprise though.

JohnTHaller• 2 years ago

I have an old Dell Latitude that I tri-boot Windows 7, 10, and 11 for testing with my PortableApps.com stuff as some things are better to test on actual hardware rather than in a virtual machine.

glimmung• 2 years ago

Happy triple booter here - yup, it's a thing.

I have a stable/secure Linux and an experimental Linux on my trusty old T430, but I need a Windows instance for testing.

nightowl_games5• 2 years ago

Yeah it broke my Linux Mint. I run mint all day while developing and then switch to windows 11 to game every once in a while.

I think there's a way to fix it but I had to disable secure boot to work this week.

I've had way more issues with windows 11 than with linux Mint. Like way more.

WolfeReader• 2 years ago

As a former dual-booter, there's surprisingly few games that still require Windows. You might consider going full Linux.

kennu2• 2 years ago

I would say the opposite. Surprisingly many games still require Windows, at least on Steam. I can sometimes find something interesting that runs on a Linux too, but all the indie games are usually Windows only.

nightowl_games5• 2 years ago

I have consider it and done it before. I largely play StarCraft 2 and I simply want the maximum frame rate..I've played sc2 on Linux before but I kinda like the simplicity of just booting into windows, the feeling of having the max performance, and also some games I play do run anti cheat stuff that doesn't work on Linux.

Overall Linux gaming is pretty sweet tho I agree. Lutris is incredible.

Plus I like the work/play divide that booting into windows provides

geor9e2• 2 years ago

I was shocked by your comment, but I also haven't kept up with PC gaming in recent years. Wow, incredible the progress Valve has made https://www.protondb.com/explore?sort=releaseDate

Fire-Dragon-DoL• 2 years ago

The issue are the surrounding things. Need a mod? Windows only. Need a software with macros? Windows. Need a save editor to avoid having to replay the game for a missed item? Windows.

It will catch up though. I'm a happy user of the steam deck

evilos• 2 years ago

I keep a W11 drive in my system (separate drive from my main linux system) for games and I find I haven't booted into it in months.

And I know when I do it'll take probably an hour to get all the updates out of its system. Ugh.

fumeux_fume2• 2 years ago

Dual-booters are a hardy folk. They'll persevere. I had the distinct pleasure recently of creating a Windows install USB without using Windows to create it. Damn near impossible.

nulltxt• 2 years ago

How did you do it? Having trouble with this right now

fumeux_fume2• 2 years ago

I used Ventoy. It's a free tool you "install" on your USB drive. Once installed, you can drag and drop one or more iso images to the drive and when you boot from the Ventoy USB drive you simply choose which installer you want to run. Windows installers will work automatically when you choose them and select the wimboot option. You can add as many installers as you want. Very awesome tool. For Linux, there's a GUI server shell script you can run to help you install Ventoy to the USB drive.

ChrisArchitect• 2 years ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41315701

Microsoft's latest security update has ruined dual-boot Windows and Linux PCs

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