Shahed-136 kamikaze drone servomotor [video]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKbRdsi8fA

by Rinzler89 • 2 years ago

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somat2• 2 years ago

I will take "stupid things that bother you for no good reason" for 200.

kamikaze drone is perhaps the most ridiculous term that has popped up in the last few years.

I despise it for at least two reasons.

1. Kamikaze was terminology specifically used to describe a "human" not a machine guiding themselves terminally into the target. this is what made it so horrifying.

2. If that is a 'sighs' kamikaze drone. why is the aim-9 sidewinder not one? by which I mean we already had perfectly good term to describe this sort of device. why not use it. It is a guided missile.

dudeinjapan• 2 years ago

The Iranians beg to differ--the word "Shahed" means "Martyr"

farseer• 2 years ago

Can a machine become a Martyr?

waffleiron2• 2 years ago

The munition Shahid/Shahed in this case translates to Witness, شاهد

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahada#Terminology_and_signif... and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_(name)

From the second wiki page "It is not to be confused with a different word, a religious term, written and pronounced differently, Shaheed (Arabic: شهيد šahīd, plural: شُهَدَاء šuhadāʾ; female: šaheeda), meaning "martyr"."

where-group-by• 2 years ago

Linguistically speaking UAVs seem closer to manned aircraft, so the fact that TV guided missiles and 'kamikaze' drones offer similar capabilities is more of a 'convergent evolution' thing.

One of the things that I think make them different is that UAVs are expected to be able to wait in the area of operations after being launched (how they do it? It differs between models).

But I agree that using the word Kamikaze specifically is a bit weird.

waffleiron2• 2 years ago

The most common version of naming would be loitering munition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition

constantcrying6• 2 years ago

I agree that the "kamikaze" or "suicide" description is nonsensical.

It is a guided missile.

No, it isn't. It only uses rocket propellant for starting, then it uses a propeller and it's wings to stay in the air.

somat2• 2 years ago

so it is a cruise missile then.

which is a sub class of.. a guided missile

userbinator• 2 years ago

It's not too different from the actuators found in cars for throttle positioning, HVAC routing, headlight aiming, etc.

Rinzler893• 2 years ago

Actuators in average passenger cars are much cheaper and flimsier than this one, mostly using plastic parts for cost control.

impossiblefork3• 2 years ago

I think the thing that surprises me here is the composite panel.

I suppose that from the PoV of the Iranians this is a high-tech weapon the performance of which is optimised, whereas I perceived it as a kind of saturation weapon, one which I expected to be made of plywood.

constantcrying6• 2 years ago

These drones are designed for long range saturation attacks. I think the choice of composites is quite reasonable. Plywood means sacrificing range and decreasing reliability.

impossiblefork3• 2 years ago

Yes, but it'd be cheap, and you could increase the amount of fuel to compensate, and fuel is also cheap.

Plywood would also allow much higher production rates, whereas this is clearly fiddly work with people stuffing prepregs into moulds.

bhouston2• 2 years ago

Apparently it is likely a clone of this commercially available servo motor:

https://hitecrcd.com/products/servos/digital/sport-giant/hs-...

According to some of the YouTube comments.

I am more interested in the controller for the drone but I suspect it is also likely a clone of some existing drone control tech.

consumer451• 2 years ago

Cloning that servo seems like it would be much more difficult than just buying them through a 3rd party, which is something that Iran and now Russia are practiced at.

If they were built in Iran or Russia, they would likely need to import components in any case. Why not just import the completed product?

tivert• 2 years ago

If they were built in Iran or Russia, they would likely need to import components in any case. Why not just import the completed product?

If they're cloning it and their goal is supply chain independence, that seems like first step.

IIRC, that's how a lot of countries move up the manufacturing value chain.

Rinzler893• 2 years ago

Firstly, cloning a industry leading servo is no easy feat if the end result is within striking distance but the price is significantly less.

Secondly, internally, the clone motor appear to be superior on paper since it's using a brushless motor versus the original who's spec sheet says it's a carbon brushed motor, but that's just a speculation since until we can benchmark them side by side it's impossible to say exactly.

vimax• 2 years ago

How much does the brushed vs brushless motor matter given it is a single use drone?

Shahed-136 kamikaze drone servomotor [video]

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