Newest NATO Member Sweden Says Russia Disrupting Its Satellite Networks

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-20/newest-nato-member-sweden-says-russia-disrupting-its-satellite-networks

by rntn • 2 years ago

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rntn• 2 years ago

https://archive.ph/H95gv

beretguy2• 2 years ago

What needs to happen for NATO to consider itself being “under attack”?

KoolKat23• 2 years ago

The benefits need to outweigh the costs.

beardyw• 2 years ago

Well I suppose to consider what would be a proportionate response.

Rzor• 2 years ago

IIRC a member country has to declare it.

lm28469• 2 years ago

A lot of NATO countries already publicly consider being under "hybrid" attacks: disinformation, sabotage, espionnage, &c.

There isn't much more you can do without going into an armed conflict, so what would be needed to happen is the will to sacrifice a large amount of their citizen and/or expose themselves to possible strikes

belter• 2 years ago

We had chemical and radioactive attacks by Russian agents in the UK, but in the name of no escalation nothing really happened. London was, and continued to be, a cesspool of Russian money and sweet real estate and football money from Russian Oligarchs.

A forceful response then, from all Western countries, maybe would have stopped Putin actions that led to the current Ukraine War.

inhumantsar• 2 years ago

I don't disagree with you but that wouldn't have been an Article 5 issue anyway.

Targeted assassinations of private citizens are terrible but they aren't in the same realm as attacking a country's infrastructure.

jjk1662• 2 years ago

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

This would not be considered an armed attack, and it's debatable whether satellites in orbit would be considered aircraft over the territories covered by the treaty.

beretguy2• 2 years ago

How about an attack on an industrial plant in Berlin? Would that be worthy of Article 5?

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34662

Newest NATO Member Sweden Says Russia Disrupting Its Satellite Networks

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