The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington)

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/07/wolves-of-k-street-book-review-lobbying/678523/

by bell-cot • 2 years ago

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bell-cot• 2 years ago

IANAL (not a Lobbyist) to actually know...but the article sounds very depressingly credible.

ein0p5• 2 years ago

Where by “work on behalf of pro-Kremlin politicians in Ukraine” they mean the legally elected president of Ukraine whom the US Deep State, personified by Victoria “fuck the EU” Nuland overthrew. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957.amp

snowpid7• 2 years ago

I'm tired of Russian propaganda.

Euro maidan was right, just ask some Ukrainians.

ein0p5• 2 years ago

I’m tired of Deep State propaganda. Overthrowing the government people democratically voted for is never “right”. Just ask East Ukrainians who elected the president who was later overthrown, and then refused to go along with this bullshit. Or are they not “Ukrainians”?

WarOnPrivacy2• 2 years ago

https://archive.is/mJsP2

WarOnPrivacy2• 2 years ago

"What they don’t say is that the definition of the deep state—an entrenched force that wields power regardless of the administration in the White House—now fits the business of lobbying better than it does the faceless bureaucracy."

The earliest notion of DeepState I know: US Gov's compulsion to snoop on the most possible people = US Gov's hydra of surveillance agencies/divisions + it's many partnerships with state & local govs to share data (mostly upward) and help the lesser govs build their own hydras.

This is was DeepState referred to, before DS got retooled into a conspiracy theory tag. Was DS ever a catchall for faceless bureaucracies?

gumby• 2 years ago

I have been surprised at the acceptance of the phrase "deep state" (regardless of your opinion of the topic) because it simply sounds like a foreign phrase to the English-speaking ear.

In the US, and in English in general, the use of "State" to talk about government is largely confined to political scientists and the odd reader of Leviathan. In popular culture, terms like "bureaucrat" are more typical, oftne with "unelected" tacked on the front. And of course in the US and Australia, at least, "state" is generally used for major subnational government divisions ("state of Texas").

On the other hand, the popular use of "state" as an actor or participant in its own right comes from 19th century revolutionary theory, especially communism. So countries heavily influenced by those movements (russia and former Warsaw-pact bloc, China, even Turkey, et al) use this construct naturally.

So it's fascinating that this loan-word has become popular in English.

coolhand2120• 2 years ago

Separation of church and state? Charge of the state? State owned broadcaster? Maybe it's more common than you think.

AmpsterMan2• 2 years ago

The OP is right that in everyday talk state is not used in the general sense of "government"

AmpsterMan2• 2 years ago

My own tin foil hat theory is that "state" in that usage entered into common English use (in U.S.) because of foreign actors. Rush Limbaugh, et al. have been talking about "deep state" long before it entered common use around the 2020 election.

water93• 2 years ago

Deep state is the CIA and FBI Who have gone rogue because they no longer are at the purview of the president. They are unelected and they need to be dismantled before it’s too late. The Texas Rangers were a state form of the FBI and that power needs to go back to the state. There is no need for an FBI and the CIA causes way more problems than they solve around the world

water93• 2 years ago

The deep state refers to entities like the CIA whose job it is to gather blackmail on people (Epstein), Are not elected, and stay over between administrations thereby effectively being able to wield control through Coercion.

This is plain as day, given by the fact that The Kennedy documents are still classified, even though nobody is alive from that period. They are classified because they’re protecting an institution not because they’re protecting a person. To deny there is a deep state is to Deny reality of how humans operate

tharmas3• 2 years ago

There's an old joke that when a new President is elected the Security Services take the new President into a room were there's a projector showing a film of the Kennedy assassination but from a different angle from the Zapruder film. At the end, the Security Services representative turns to the new President and asks "any questions?".

The 'Deep State' (political lobbying in Washington)

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