Microsoft's $1M Vote of Confidence in Rust's Future

https://thenewstack.io/microsofts-1m-vote-of-confidence-in-rusts-future/

by weinzierl • 2 years ago

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adamnemecek• 2 years ago

That’s a drop in a bucket.

ssahoo• 2 years ago

You mean from M$'s bucket. It's something for the foundation.

yieldcrv• 2 years ago

Can’t just throw money at problems

This is why matching campaigns are often done, to see the market desire for something and matching that. Since no arbitrary amount will satisfy people that believe you have more, but this is the closest thing to it.

In any case this wasnt a matching one, just an analysis on what the Rust Foundation could make do with

Avamander• 2 years ago

It can surely grow if no issues occur. One of the worst things to do would be to drop some ridiculous sum on a project and expect it all to be used properly.

yazzku4• 2 years ago

Microsoft as a platinum member of the Rust Foundation is probably reason enough to not adopt the language.

lionkor• 2 years ago

Why? What negative impact will it have, by your prediction?

9999000009993• 2 years ago

Why, funding needs to come from somewhere.

It's not like they took over the project or became it's main contributor or something.

infamouscow• 2 years ago

Replace project with politicians election campaign.

erhaetherth• 2 years ago

But TypeScript and C# are both awesome.

mdhb• 2 years ago

I don’t know that I’d rush to call Typescript awesome. It’s only awesome sitting next to JavaScript. Compared to say another modern language (I.e Dart or Kotlin) which has proper typing, compilation and didn’t have to take on all the baggage of that level of JS interop it’s actually quite a shit language.

Just using the idea of mixins as a quick example.

Here is how they look in Dart: https://dart.dev/language/mixins

And here’s how they look in Typescript: https://www.typescriptlang.org/docs/handbook/mixins.html

yazzku4• 2 years ago

No, they are not. There was a time when Microsoft tried to sneak C# through Mono into the Gnome desktop under the "promise" that they would not enforce legal action. Fortunately, many smelled the BS from miles away, except for some misguided Gnome developers. Why should Rust not also be a vehicle for Microsoft's new incursion into, e.g., the Linux kernel, where some are already poking Rust?

I am not all that familiar with the Rust Foundation; but I do not trust corporate-owned languages in general, let alone ones where Microsoft seeks to have an influence.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/07/micro...

freeone3000• 2 years ago

I guess you’ll also have to avoid adopting C++ and Javascript and Python and JSON…

dsalfdslfdsa• 2 years ago

Honestly, that sounds fantastic.

yazzku4• 2 years ago

C++ is designed by a committee, for better and for worse, with TS contributions from people of a variety of industries and backgrounds.

Rust doesn't even have a formal spec, it's just whatever rustc admits. The potential for a single corporation to steer that for its own benefit seems greater to me. And we know how MS has attempted to destroy Linux before, in particular with its incursion with .NET in Gnome.

zipping1549• 2 years ago

I get you feel the need to have MS and that's for good reason but not every single thing that they do is not and cannot be that bad.

ComputerGuru3• 2 years ago

“All” I want from Mycroft is first-class rust support in Visual Studio. The rumors that they’ve been working on it are several years old now.

vsnf2• 2 years ago

I used to spend my entire life inside Visual Studio, but my life has mostly moved to VS Code, where the Rust Analyzer extension provides a really nice experience. Granted, on rare occasions the extension fails for some byzantine reason, and language support in VS has always been rock solid, but would it really be that much better than life within VSCode? I'm not sure, but maybe it would?

binary1324• 2 years ago

What differentiates this from any other editor with a Rust plugin? Visual Studio is an entirely different animal.

dehrmann2• 2 years ago

Why not RustRover?

jen20• 2 years ago

In my case because of [1], which makes working with a particular library I need to use almost impossible. I went from exclusively using JetBrains tools to having VS Code installed for rust-analyzer, which is a slippery slope.

[1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/RUST-13097

ComputerGuru3• 2 years ago

The visual studio debugger is just leagues beyond the rest.

Hamuko• 2 years ago

Why specifically Visual Studio for Rust?

ComputerGuru3• 2 years ago

The debugger.

binary1324• 2 years ago

WOW, a whole entire million dollars? Microsoft is so generous! How much revenue do they pull every year again?

Microsoft's $1M Vote of Confidence in Rust's Future

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