Nintendo emulator 'Suyu' removed from Gitlab following DMCA request

https://overkill.wtf/suyu-emulator-removed-from-gitlab/

by brandrick • 2 years ago

62 35 2 years ago

rjzzleep• 2 years ago

This is quite fascinating, I was pulling the repo on github as i read this and the download was killed as I was cloning.

   error: RPC failed; curl 56 Recv failure: Connection reset by peer
   error: 6100 bytes of body are still expected
   fetch-pack: unexpected disconnect while reading sideband packet
   fatal: early EOF
   fatal: fetch-pack: invalid index-pack output

TillE• 2 years ago

Suyu unlawfully uses unauthorized copies of cryptographic keys

I thought that's not true, and that was the major change Suyu was making to avoid legal trouble.

14• 2 years ago

I don’t imagine it matters much. Nintendo’s lawyers threatening gitlab if no action is taken is probably enough for them to bend over and get out of the way. I don’t see it mattering in the end you can’t really kill projects like these they will just end up on torrent sites or some other domain out of Nintendo’s reach.

fulafel2• 2 years ago

Isn't that how the DMCA works, there's no need for Nintendo's lawyers to do any threatening apart from a DMCA form letter - if it's filled out enough to be intelligeble, the recipient (Gitlab) has to abide and then there's a theoretically a challenge process available for the target (that is very stacked against the target), and in practice no penalties for illegitimate DMCA requests.

LocalH• 2 years ago

Nintendo's definition of "authorized" does not seem to include a user dumping their own keys. They've been this way ever since they claimed that physical mask ROMs were not at risk of failure and thus did not need to be backed up, and as such their statement was that all game copiers were inherently illegal, since they did not "authorize" them.

ipaddr• 2 years ago

"In addition to the project page being removed, all of the accounts of those who have contributed to the Suyu project have also been locked."

So Gitlab is worse then github when it comes to dmca requests.

NoahKAndrews3• 2 years ago

That's truly awful...

Brian_K_White2• 2 years ago

Except github never gave you a self-hosted github.

I have read some stories that don't sound good about gitlab's culture and management, and I don't frankly like the design of the system (the components and code and architecture I mean) so I'm no fanboi, but there are some differences where the rubber meets the road that I don't think should be disregarded.

fragmede• 2 years ago

edit: not discontinued, I'm just bad at Google

They discontinued it, but yeah they did.

https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-server@3.8/admin/overv...

anotherhue3• 2 years ago

The D in DVCS stands for centralised.

Qwertious2• 2 years ago

The I in DVCS stands for issue tracker.

anotherhue3• 2 years ago

True but getting less true by the day:

https://github.com/MichaelMure/git-bug

https://www.fossil-scm.org/home/doc/trunk/www/index.wiki

ChrisArchitect• 2 years ago

Related from just yesterday:

First beta of Nintendo Switch emulator Suyu goes live

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39766138

RockRobotRock• 2 years ago

The end result is someone hosting a gitea server in Belize.

bj-rn• 2 years ago

Maybe they should use a service outside the land of the free like codeberg.org

nozzlegear• 2 years ago

Codeberg is hosted in Germany, which is part of the World Intellectual Property Organization Treaty, meaning they have very similar laws to the DMCA. The EU itself has the Copyright Directive.

You may want to look at Codeberg’s Terms of Service again, particularly the subsection on allowed content and copyright:

https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/org/src/branch/main/TermsOfUse...

roastedpeacock3• 2 years ago

Some countries have better exemptions for fair-use even accounting for WIPOisms than others.

hecatia• 2 years ago

which is part of the World Intellectual Property Organization Treaty

That is almost all of the world except micronesia, palau and south sudan

roastedpeacock3• 2 years ago

The Suyu project also has their own self-hosted Git server. Be interesting if development continues there and information is spread by word-of-mouth or similar.

roastedpeacock3• 2 years ago

Anyone know if GitLab has a transparent archive of DMCA notices similar to GitHub?

yellow_lead• 2 years ago

Still up here: https://git.suyu.dev/suyu/suyu

Fuck Nintendo

mongrelion• 2 years ago

Do you know if there is something similar for yuzu? did their code find a new home? forks are meh.

johncoltrane• 2 years ago

Is that a surprise to anybody?

Well, the developers use a distributed VCS so they can still work on the project, exchange patches, etc. only with less publicity, which is a good thing when you work on legally dubious stuff.

ur-whale• 2 years ago

Centralized infrastructure at its very best.

amne• 2 years ago

I don't get it how that letter can stand? Quoting from the first paragraph:

     | ... namely Suyu uses unauthorized copies of cryptographic keys to decrypt
     | unauthorized copies of Nintendo Switch games ...

Shouldn't the "unauthorized" word be proven true before this kind of letter is thrown at the wall to make sure it sticks? Not in this world apparently

aaomidi• 2 years ago

I’ve always thought that countries like Iran who want to piss off the US should just offer git hosting for these types of projects.

Heck offer Pirate Bay domains too.

Nintendo emulator 'Suyu' removed from Gitlab following DMCA request

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