"no reasonable user would expect that their actions (…) be private from Apple"

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by Timothee • 2 years ago

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RayVR• 2 years ago

Which court filing is this from?

daveguy• 2 years ago

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65748302/in-re-apple-da...

screenoridesaga• 2 years ago

It’s not inaccurate.

j-j-j-j• 2 years ago

That will be 30% of everything you do.

kevinh• 2 years ago

Appears to be related to this case: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/65748302/in-re-apple-da...

The document in question: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.40...

Note that the title here is a misquote in a way that misconstrues the meaning, it's actually:

"Given Apple’s extensive privacy disclosures, no reasonable user would expect that their actions in Apple’s apps would be private from Apple."

Timothee• 2 years ago

Fair. I had to edit the title for length, and am not sure how to make it more explicit while staying under the limit.

cgearhart• 2 years ago

The full filing and the expanded context completely changes the meaning of the headline quote!

greyface-• 2 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

CharlesW• 2 years ago

And to the point of the highlighted segment, Apple's not exactly opaque about this: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ (broken down by service: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/)

It's anonymous, users can see the data (Privacy & Security > Analytics & Improvements > Analytics Data), and they can turn it off. It seems like if Apple were to lose this, the rest of the industry would be next.

totetsu• 2 years ago

How obscene and perverse our societies have become. All or private moments watched by professional voyeurs.

backtoyoujim• 2 years ago

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smitty1e• 2 years ago

Conversely, individuals seem to have no filter regarding which of their formerly private members should be made public.

janalsncm• 2 years ago

The case they cited is from Home Depot customer service chat. If this is about Apple customer service chats it’s fair but otherwise seems pretty disingenuous.

charcircuit• 2 years ago

Device telemetry is not the same thing as App Store telemetry lol

EasyMark2• 2 years ago

I don't expect it to be private from apple. I'm just counting on apple not sharing it with 3rd parties like google or anyone willing to give them a buck to report my buying/app/whatever habits in order to send me ads.

ffsm8• 2 years ago

You're making a very flawed argument, because Google isn't going to share their users data with 3rd parties either.

It's literally their business to gobble up as much data as they can get their hands on and sabotage anyone trying to do the same in order to become the only viable choice for Internet marketing campaigns.

Apple only sells marketing on the app store, so their privacy violations only extend so far for now. I hope it stays like that, but my gut tells me that the water will continue to get muddier over the years. But that's a future issue.

EasyMark2• 2 years ago

My argument isn't flawed, it states exactly what I meant to say. I trust apple's greed to not get bad publicity more than I do google's, who has been getting bad publicity for years and seems immune to being concerned over such things.

hnaiobsession• 2 years ago

What if a user enables Advanced Data Protection (end to end encryption of everything stored on iCloud) on their Apple devices? How much does that change things?

tzs• 2 years ago

Advanced Data Protection protects your data that you are asking Apple to hold for you. E.g., notes and photos. Apple doesn't need to see your notes and photos to hold them for you and give copies back to you.

The lawsuit is complaining about data Apple gets when the user uses the App Store, Apple Music, Apple TV, and similar. E.g., when you buy an app from Apple's app store, Apple knows which app you bought, how much you paid for it, and how you paid for it.

That's data that Apple is getting because it is necessary in order to provide the service you are using.

"no reasonable user would expect that their actions (…) be private from Apple"

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