Probe says Hans Niemann didn't cheat against Magnus Carlsen

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/15/sport/hans-niemann-magnus-carlsen-chess-probe-cheating-spt-intl/index.html

by pain_perdu • 3 years ago

25 15 3 years ago

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erulabs• 3 years ago

They just had to word it this way, didn’t they? It couldn’t have been an “investigation” this time, CNN?

Shameless, but still funny.

avandekleut• 3 years ago

I didn’t put it together till this comment…

ics• 3 years ago

"Is that the same probe that Hans was... oh, nevermind." Actually the full article title that I see is descriptive enough that I wouldn't have thought of it but that wouldn't fit in the HN form limits I don't think.

"Probe says Hans Niemann didn’t cheat against Magnus Carlsen in over-the-board match, but did cheat in up to 55 online games"

clipsy• 3 years ago

"A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes."

enlyth• 3 years ago

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No, I will not:

https://archive.is/IPAPF

Aicy• 3 years ago

Yeah, what? I'm using Google Chrome, the most popular browser in the world and its giving me this nonsense.

gwern• 3 years ago

No, what it said was that it didn't find evidence he cheated. A failure to reject the null does not mean you should accept the null. As has been noted, current techniques are just unable to detect subtle cheating by GMs, and Niemann would have done so subtly.

Given that this probe also shows Niemann has been lying and cheating even more extensively than has been known before, this should make you assume that he is cheating everywhere else he can get away with it until proven otherwise.

RedCardRef• 3 years ago

"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence"

8note• 3 years ago

The same applies to every chess pro - if they're cheating they're cheating in a way where modern techniques couldn't detect it, so we should consider everyone, Magnus included, as cheaters

austhrow743• 3 years ago

Considering everyone which plays chess a cheater because they could possibly cheat ends chess as a sport.

Considering everyone who has cheated to be a cheater allows chess to continue while costing nothing.

unsupp0rted• 3 years ago

However, the EDC did find Carlsen guilty of withdrawing from the 2022 Sinquefield Cup “without valid reason.” He was fined €10,000 ($10,800) as a result.

plopz• 3 years ago

It did find however that he cheated more recently than he previously admitted.

Professor Regan analysed some of the games mentioned in the Chess.com Report, and his statistical analysis showed fewer instances of cheating in comparison with the Report, bringing the range down to 32-55 games cheated in. The analysis of the Chess.com Report revealed discrepancies in GM Niemann´s statement- he claimed the cheating took place when he was 12 and 16 years old, but games of 2017 and the games against Bok in August of 2020 occurred after he turned 17 in June. Another important discrepancy is that the cheating took place in rated online games.

janalsncm• 3 years ago

Have to say I’m just a little skeptical of Ken Regen’s statistical methods. Of course it’s a touchy subject because there’s a strong incentive not to reveal his methods, but he also seems to have more or less of a monopoly on authority on the matter.

TriangleEdge• 3 years ago

The chess.com article (https://www.chess.com/blog/CHESScom/hans-niemann-report) is much more throughout, and a better source of information.

In the article: "Despite the public speculation on these questions, in our view, there is no direct evidence that proves Hans cheated at the September 4, 2022 game with Magnus, or proves that he has cheated in other OTB games in the past."

Personally, I find Niemann's mannerisms during interviews highly suspect, as unscientific as that may be.

valianteffort• 3 years ago

probe

Heh, wonder if the author realized this.

Probe says Hans Niemann didn't cheat against Magnus Carlsen

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