The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

https://www.gamingdeputy.com/the-russian-state-social-university-is-developing-a-social-rating-system-we/

by valeg • 3 years ago

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kbelder• 3 years ago

Horrendous, but the nice side effect... the more China, Russia, and other totalitarian states double down on these efforts, the easier it is to argue against them in the West.

fithisux• 3 years ago

QRs were an attempt to introduce it. It was simply postponed. Something worse is coming in to the West.

They will eliminate cash and now social system is even worse.

FpUser5• 3 years ago

If you feel need to argue you are not winning

throwaway2904• 3 years ago

If you are winning without arguing you are not in democracy

omneity2• 3 years ago

There’s a chance something like this ends up happening in the West as well. Could be watered down in some way. It only takes a couple more columns in the database of a credit scoring system to start looking at other factors.

These systems being deployed in countries such as China and Russia gives the rest of the world a peek into how it works, and a chance to understand how to best resist totalitarian tendencies. Unfortunately it also gives an opportunity for other governments to learn what works and what doesn’t.

throwaway105075• 3 years ago

Credit scoring systems are private stuff used by private companies, not run by the government and not used to evaluate anything with regards to the government. There's no way an additional column in a credit scoring DB would forbid you from attending a school, moving to a city, etc.

Moldoteck• 3 years ago

Meanwhile GB is trying to make e2ee illegal (they stopped for now but were pretty close). Let's not pretend west can't implement social score

throwaway105075• 3 years ago

Let's not forget about EU's ChatControl. They even chose a dystopian name for it and were completely fine with that...

0dayz4• 3 years ago

If we're going to whataboutism, at least include credit score as it is a form of social score.

horsh1• 3 years ago

So what is the real totalitarian difference of Zhima from, say, Equifax or Experian?

willcipriano• 3 years ago

If the executives at Zhima mess up they will be punished harshly?

amanaplanacanal• 3 years ago

I dunno. We have some politicians in the US that appear to be totally enamored with these totalitarian strongmen, and they have very large domestic followings. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them try to follow their methods.

defrost• 3 years ago

Д-503, a spacecraft engineer, rated 47-29.

The first figure reflecting social status, and the second – social level, reflecting “merits” and “prospects”, respectively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel) (1921)

dejj• 3 years ago

Peter Arbeitsloser, a machine therapist, rated 10.

Levels were initially added as a “gimmick” by the programmers, and quickly came to dominate every aspect of life. His last name was assigned from his father’s job title at the time of conception.

https://qualityland.de/ql1/

c0balt• 3 years ago

^ For non german speakers, Arbeitsloser ~ jobless person, i.e., someone not employed or working.

Edit: The book is awesome though. Definitely recommended. Marc Uwe Kling also has a great series of works around a kanguru.

ddmma• 3 years ago

“We” system will be useful not only for banks, but also for governors, for whom it will be able to classify citizens according to their usefulness to the state.

When you reach the obsolete status then what? Also this applies to public authorities? https://youtu.be/zGZqnc6_5To?si=BsHSPxDB0-NYp-Rs

petre2• 3 years ago

When you reach the obsolete status then what?

You either go to re-education camp or are able to obtain a passport, depending on many factors. However, if you do obtain a passport, then the regime's days are numbered.

pvaldes• 3 years ago

This feels just like just another AI history, but I will imagine that is a real history

When you reach the obsolete status then what?

... Then, cannon meat. The same as currently. Prison holidays program to visit Syria

Russia is actively looking for more soldiers and this system would be very useful in a few years to order the next meat wave (and most of all to justify it to the public eye).

Then the system will meet systemic corruption making it useless. The game will be ringed, and the mobster will buy extra points of honesty for his rapist son, while the teacher and the peasant, unable to pay in dollars, will be sent to a job of testing landmine triggers by a special selector robot.

Russian people are being pressure-cooked very slowly but surely until they realize, too late, that they will not be spared. Not even with their decent, but not exceptional social score. The new national animal of Russia is not the bear anymore, is the boiled frog

In any case, the history seems (very) fake

kgeist2• 3 years ago

I suspect the article was written by AI:

Of course, the platform represents an interesting experiment that can lead to new approaches to assessing the social status and standard of living of citizens. However, it is necessary to ensure transparency, data protection and a balance between individual rights and state interests

pk-protect-ai• 3 years ago

These rumors are also circulating in Russia: https://habr-com.translate.goog/ru/news/765866/?_x_tr_sl=aut...

Here's what AI can do with this article: https://www.phind.com/search?cache=o2wo1bog0dfjwj49vwhhgqgv

However, I wouldn't be surprised if this development is true, given that Russia is currently a totalitarian state. It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country (along with North Korea itself and China), kills Ukrainians and its own citizens. Russia enforces totalitarian laws against any spoken or written words that criticize the government.

kgeist2• 3 years ago

It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country

Source? I only heard about sending them back.

pharmakom• 3 years ago

I hope whoever came up with the name was in on the joke.

robertlutece• 3 years ago

"Finnerty, Edward Francis Finnerty, Ph.D., one-time EC-002."

"There's a collector's item - a double-o-two number!" said Lasher. "I've known several single-o men, but never a double-o. I guess you're the highest classification I ever had friendly words with. If the Pope set up shop in this country, he'd be only one notch up - in the R-numbers of course. He'd be an R-001. I heard somewhere that the number was being held for him, over the objections of Episcopal bishops who want R-001 themselves. Delicate business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)

more_corn• 3 years ago

I think I read this book

The Russian State Social University Is Developing a Social Rating System "We"

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