Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting improvement in wellbeing

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyt.2023.1199642/full

by beefman • 3 years ago

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yieldcrv4• 3 years ago

any chance the correct dose of this becomes the new caffeine or coffee?

partomniscient2• 3 years ago

I'm pretty sure set and setting are way more important factors than declaring 'n' is the right amount.

So, to put it bluntly no. It's not that simple or comparable and the study already shows it affects different people differently with some ending up resulting in a negative experience overall.

This is one of the key problems with the capitalistic approach to modern medicine - you do the trials, you get approval based on the majority result, Done. There's not much research into what doesn't fit and why it doesn't fit, because there's no money in it.

Yet all the end-users of the supposed cure that aren't in that majority actually end up suffering more because once you find out something doesn't work for you you get rejected by the system, or put on the 'try a different one' endless go-round. This is way more of a problem in mental rather than physiological health, because emotional states are much less consistent and harder to quantify than things like blood pressure or iron levels etc. etc.

That being said, if you do fit the majority then maybe you can just add it to your set of stuff you take.

One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead. My gut feel is because its easier to understand/influence. Doesn't mean its the correct thing to do, its just something that is achievable and makes things better. Kind of like using humour as coping mechanism to avoid a situation.

yieldcrv4• 3 years ago

it affects different people differently with some ending up resulting in a negative experience overall

I mean 7% having a negative experience after a few months of use is better than coffee right?

I don't know coffee's stats but people that are co-dependent on coffee think its waaaay more normalized than it is. 17.5 drink decaf which is like 95% less caffiene, basically trace amounts

improv• 3 years ago

One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead.

Psychedelic therapy can reveal things about your reality that you may have been completely blind to or unaware of, thus enabling you to change it.

To use these substances properly, it's not just about taking the substance and having an enlightening experience and then being done with it.

It's about taking what you learned about your reality, what you want to change about it, and then integrating/implementing that into your every day life in the weeks, months, and years afterwards. That's where the real work is.

orasis3• 3 years ago

“One does have to wonder why we need to medicate ourselves to cope with reality rather than change reality instead.”

A lot of our problems are due to self deception. One thing psychedelics are good for is being able to see through the lies we tell ourselves and face the facts about our behaviors.

loa_in_3• 3 years ago

If you drink coffee or take caffeine in little doses once every month I could see it happening.

lacrimacida• 3 years ago

Why is that?

orasis3• 3 years ago

Nah, while it’s good for mental health, it’s not a productivity enhancer. It can be hard to focus on complicated concepts or even recall facts like people’s names.

thelastparadise• 3 years ago

It can be hard to focus on complicated concepts or even recall facts like people’s names.

Surely not with a micro dose?

washadjeffmad• 3 years ago

I do daily Tiger's Milk and Lion's Mane, which are synergistic with psilocybin, but you generally only do psilocybin to a threshold every 72-hrs if you're "dosing".

Honestly, while these things can help, they aren't cognitive panaceas. They won't teach you pacing or how to manage your stress, they're not substitutes for active improvement efforts, and you won't suddenly have better ideas.

I don't recommend them or discourage their use, but if they might help you realize that maybe you shouldn't be living in a way that required coffee all the time, that naps are natural and you can take them when you want and not be less of a person, or that maybe trying to fit your natural rhythm to something that doesn't suit you isn't the smartest way to live, then I'd say that's great but that you also don't need a mushroom to convince you of that.

RamblingCTO2• 3 years ago

This prospective, longitudinal study comprised six sequential automated web-based surveys

Until we get proper controlled studies we don't need to talk about that imho

kranke155• 3 years ago

Explain how we get proper controlled studies of a substance like this.

yosame• 3 years ago

Run it in Australia, it's schedule was lowered so you can actually run studies on it. Here's one happening right now:

https://www.monash.edu/medicine/scs/clinical-psychedelic-lab...

iancmceachern• 3 years ago

Zide Door, a church in Oakland and now SF, you can buy it over the counter.

I found out recently that they have 91,000 members, and counting.

There has to be a way, the cat's out of the bag and has been for years.

RamblingCTO2• 3 years ago

It doesn't matter. But self-questionnaires over the internet are just bs imho. That's not science.

devmor• 3 years ago

It seems to me that this kind of study is a necessary precursor to proper controlled studies, given the current legal restrictions of the subject matter.

Mystery-Machine• 3 years ago

There are already studies like this being run in the US. Check out MAPS.

kcrwfrd_• 3 years ago

What do they mean by “naturalistic” use?

xchip• 3 years ago

They use this blanket names so you buy it without asking questions

dTal• 3 years ago

They mean people taking it the way that they do, not in any kind of research setting.

sph• 3 years ago

What's the 2023 equivalent of the Silk Road? So many interesting developments in the world of psychedelics, still extremely illegal. Last time I had magic mushrooms, I ordered a box of dirt (with spores) online from a Dutch head shops. Surprisingly easy and quick to grow. That's more than 10 years ago, I doubt these grow kits are still legal.

Modified3019• 3 years ago

You can still buy mushroom growing substrate (or diy r/unclebens) and buy spore prints in the US as far as I’m aware.

Whether you get put on a list to get a knock at 3am later… probably not unless you start selling grown shrooms.

CommitSyn3• 3 years ago

See my other comment, this is all still perfectly legal until you combine the spores with substrate with the intent to grow the mushrooms. You can buy the spore syringes ready to inject into the pre-sterilized substrate bags. Open, inject, wait.

zerbinxx• 3 years ago

There are lots of people selling them on things like Facebook marketplace. Seems incredibly risky for them but who knows.

CommitSyn3• 3 years ago

Risky for the seller, not as much for the buyer who only has to learn to say "no, I didn't order that" and not be pursuaded into saying "yes, I ordered that."

Simple as

oktoberpaard• 3 years ago

In the Netherlands selling magic mushrooms is illegal since 2008 (after some incidents), but magic truffles can still be legally bought online and in shops. Buying spores and growing magic mushrooms yourself is still possible and completely legal for as far as I’m aware.

sandspar• 3 years ago

My observation after many years of being in these circles: mushroom use makes people happy in a "la dee dah" way and at the same time causes significant damage to people's ability to think skeptically.

Naturalistic psilocybin use associated with persisting improvement in wellbeing

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