Why Vim?

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by pauljonas • 14 years ago

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jff2• 14 years ago

Christ, am I the only person getting sick of the unending Vim evangelism here? It's a good editor, I use it a lot. So, apparently does the rest of HN, because not a day goes by without some Vim evangelism blog post on the front page. Is it really so terrible if there are a few holdouts on HN using Emacs or whatever? Does it truly destroy your life?

tzaman• 14 years ago

Although I use Vim on daily basis, I have to agree with you, HN is getting littered with Vim evangelism.

sebphfx• 14 years ago

Vim is a drug.The opium of the developer masses... I need a hit right now!

revscat• 14 years ago

I'm of two minds about this.

a) Yes, there are quite a few articles about vim that show up on HN's front page.

b) I am a long time -- 20 years now? Really? Gah! -- vim user, and some of the articles have shown me things that even I didn't know.

Insofar as emacs is concerned, I'm not sure why you are mentioning it. It is a good, respectable editor.

thekungfuman• 14 years ago

A complicated bit of text editing software if after 20 years of daily use you're still learning significant new tricks. Statements like yours are why vim seems completely unapproachable to me.

leephillips• 14 years ago

I appreciate the good Vim articles, from which I've learned some vastly useful stuff. The semi-literate, redundant articles such as this one? Not so much.

oacgnol• 14 years ago

The nice thing about having new Vim posts every week or so is that I've always learned something new about it each time, whether it's a new shortcut or plugin or whatever. The depth (and appeal) of vim is such that you'd never really stop learning how to use it.

sophacles• 14 years ago

I can't think of a week in the last 5 years that I haven't seen at least one vim article on HN. It's just part of the zeitgeist here. I do find that as I keep getting better at using it though, the articles no longer really cater to me. It would be cool if more articles discussed deeper hacks than the standard "i like vim - modal editing FTW" or "use this list of plugins {bufexplorer, <language pack>, NerdTree, taglist} to make vim an IDE for $language". I think these articles are important and good for a lot of people to get the exposure, but, I would like deeper stuff too for my case :)

Keep in mind that any community or group will have a certain amount of echo-chamber quality to it, if it is growing or churning (which usually happens). The new folks need to see this stuff to understand community norms, and this is a pretty natural way for transmission of that. I work at a university, and I used to feel the same way, about how every fall we would have to go over basics yet again, but then realized that this phenomenon is how we make new grad students into regular grad students. (and I'm pretty sure the getting sick of it step is a requirement for the Ph.D.)

udp2• 14 years ago

I dunno. When I started lurking on HN a few years ago, I used MSVC on Windows. Now I'm an OSS advocate with the standard issue MacBook Pro, a FreeBSD desktop, my code lives on GitHub, I'm involved in a startup and guess which editor I use?

How did that happen? The HN community decided what they liked and continued to reinforce it with articles, blog posts, tutorials. And if the next generation of HNers are to have a similar experience, I don't think that evangelism of such things is a bad thing. Sure, it's boring for you, but we're getting new people here every day.

Want to sell them emacs instead? You can. These choices aren't set in stone, and I'd argue that HN is more or less pragmatic. If something becomes inconvenient to use, cue the posts about alternatives.

jff2• 14 years ago

I've posted about my favorite editor (acme) in the past, but rather than trying it, HNers mostly just echo-chamber it into oblivion: "I have touch the mouse? Oh my god I will literally not be able to write a single line of code now! Vim FTW!"

(Edit: I enjoy vim. I prefer it to Emacs. I have sometimes found interesting things in these articles. I just think there are too many, and too much zealotry in the community)

FireBeyond• 14 years ago

I've found myself trying to get more productive when I'm "forced" into Vim, and mostly failing, and reverting to Sublime Text 2.

As a result, I've looked at plenty of Vim evangelist links on HN looking for inspiration in learning more about productivity with the editor, and honestly?

This is one of the first that has given me some real insight, some workable examples, and something to go on.

It does have a cheerleader tone to it, definitely, but really? I wish more "advocacy/evangelism" posts on HN had this flavor (and substance) to them.

tarr11• 14 years ago

As a new vim user, I've found that learning vim is like learning to play an instrument.

You are constantly challenging yourself to move your hands and fingers in the most efficient way possible. It is incredibly frustrating up front but then you occasionally find yourself elevated and doing something that you had previously thought impossible.

Single key commands strung together make a melody. Editing a document is like playing a song.

Great vim practitioners can elegantly keep tempo and flow with advanced technique and focus.