An open-source, free circuit simulator

https://hackaday.com/2023/07/30/an-open-source-free-circuit-simulator/

157 29 3 years ago

hulitu• 3 years ago

On windows there is LTSpice which is free, has a lot of models, but not open source and ngspice which is open source but it does not have a GUI (although i heard that it can be used with KiCAD).

So i really don't underestand, what would be the advantage of using Qucs ?

Animats• 3 years ago

has a lot of models

That being the important part. Good models, ones someone has validated by comparing measured data on real parts with the model, are not cheap to generate. If the models are not close to reality, when you build what you simulated, it won't work right.

LTSpice has models of, unsurprisingly, most of the parts Linear Technologies makes.

qwezxcrty• 3 years ago

(now Analog Devices)

electroagenda2• 3 years ago

QucsStudio now "competes" with ADS. It includes HB simulation, EM simulation and models for RF components.

1023bytes• 3 years ago

As an amateur I always default to CircuitJS, it's a great learning resource

https://www.falstad.com/circuit/circuitjs.html

childintime• 3 years ago

And I do professionally. I haven't seen a good interface on any of the other products. They're stuck with clunky 90's interfaces. Circuitjs is far ahead.

Circuitjs is superb for exploring electronic concepts. The quality of the simulation itself is subpar, though mostly good enough. The ability to save a circuit to a url is another thing that sets it apart, and is invaluable for communicating concepts.

squarefoot• 3 years ago

Qucs is a GPL circuit simulator. And if you want the GUI option, you might want to try out QucsStudio, which uses Qucs under the hood, and is free to use, but binary-only.

Huh? I used Qucs many moons ago and it definitely was complete with GUI.

https://qucs.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html

Unfortunately Qucs is unmaintained, probably doesn't compile anymore on newer distributions and its binaries were therefore removed from many repositories. Another problem: Qucs was released as GPL while QucsStudio, which uses its sources, has been kept closed by the authors; I smell a GPL violation here.

dspillett• 3 years ago

I smell a GPL violation here.

Unless they have been specifically granted a licence other than the GPL, which the original maintainer(s) would have the right to do (assuming other contributors, if any, agreed or signed over the relevant rights when contributing).

Edit: in fact both qucs and qucstudio are listed as authored by Michael Margraf which might make that relicensing/cross-licensing process simpler.

robertlagrant• 3 years ago

Might depend on whether or not Qucs was compiled in statically. E.g. they could release an OSS wrapper around it that exposes it over ZeroMQ and then talking to it over that protocol, maybe?

bombolo• 3 years ago

GPL ≠ LGPL

rahen• 3 years ago

Not only that, but Qucs also has a SPICE version which sees a lot of activity, and unlike QucsStudio, is free software: https://ra3xdh.github.io

It's only missing a solid components library like LTSpice has. Hopefully its library will see more contributions as it becomes more popular.

mtreis86• 3 years ago

Can it simulate oscillators? Many of the lower end or cheaper systems fall apart when it comes to modelling real world radios. Probably because in reality everything is a bit capacitive/inductive and there is a noise floor at any given frequency.

electroagenda2• 3 years ago

Yes. That is the key point of QucsStudio. It has support for professional RF design.

electricant• 3 years ago

You should consider using qucs-s https://ra3xdh.github.io/ a fully open-source fork of qucs still currently maintained and improved.

inglor• 3 years ago

Wokwi is free open source and neat with an MIT license https://github.com/wokwi/avr8js https://wokwi.com

westurner• 3 years ago

From "Show HN: PicoVGA Library – VGA/TV Display on Raspberry Pi Pico" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35120757 ; wokwi/rp2040js

Wokwi > New Pi Pico + MicroPython project: https://wokwi.com/projects/new/micropython-pi-pico

And from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408561 :

"Learn PWM signal using Wokwi Logic Analyzer" https://blog.wokwi.com/explore-pwm-with-logic-analyzer/
Wokwi > New (Pi Pico w/ Micropython) LED project: https://wokwi.com/projects/300504213470839309

jupyter-micropython-upydevice: https://pypi.org/project/jupyter-micropython-upydevice/

flaviut• 3 years ago

Wokwi is a completely different tool. You would never be able to use it for radio frequency simulation, or much outside of "virtual breadboard" (although I've tried!)

Its strengths are around simulating microcontrollers.

jmwilson3• 3 years ago

It's a shame that circuit simulators, especially those derived from SPICE, have tended toward closed-source. It's nice that there are several free-as-in-beer options available, but a good lesson in the consequences of permissive open-source licenses. SPICE predates copyleft licensing, so software that was once open has disappeared into proprietary versions.

LTspice (sponsored by Analog Devices) is closed-source. The recently-released QSpice (sponsored by Qorvo) also closed-source. QucsStudio was taken closed-source by Qucs' original author, and he's not commented on his intentions in this decision.

Big companies typically open-source software when it's not part of their strategic business value, and offers community engagement benefits and good press. LTspice is kind of an advertisement for AD's chips. AD and Qorvo aren't remotely in the software and EDA business, so their decision to keep them closed is even more puzzling, but I guess the instinct of hardware companies is guard everything.

Archit3ch2• 3 years ago

At least the author of QSpice has committed to release the source of all models (including his tweaks for convergence). So you can take the transistors to a different SPICE engine with a simple netlist import.

jmwilson3• 3 years ago

The touted benefits of QSpsice include better numerical fundamentals, so who knows what happens when you take a tuned model and plug it into a different engine? The way it is described, the improvements to the SPICE engine could be valuable to anyone interested in numerical code and scientific computing, all the more reason why keeping it closed is a shame.

naikrovek• 3 years ago

there is little to no incentive for these companies to simply open source these applications. customers don’t care if the tool is open source or not, they just want a good simulation.

there is strong disincentive to open source these, because any competitive advantage your tool has with simulation is no longer a competitive advantage.

jmwilson3• 3 years ago

Last statement makes no sense since AD and Qorvo are in the business of selling silicon. These tools are marketing for their product lines.

It's like saying Google and Facebook are at a business (dis)advantage over the merits of Tensorflow and PyTorch, when their actual business is something completely different.

baz00• 3 years ago

I think the thing is that no one in the industry gives much of a crap if it's open source or not. Most of the EDA users out there are on Windows so there is no reason to ship source for that platform either. The end users only care about the price which is why LTspice is popular.

Also worth noting that the SPICE engines have been modified heavily over the years in the open source side of things. Inside they look nothing like the original open source SPICE distributions.

When I'm, rarely, doing EDA work it's LTspice for simulation, KiCad for capture+PCBs and Excel for any calculation glue. All are chosen for price/performance rather than open idealism. One just happens to be open source.

tycoon666• 3 years ago

Not open source but Free: Micro-Cap 12 https://web.archive.org/web/20230219052113/http://www.spectr...

kragen2• 3 years ago

surprising to see nobody's mentioned ngspice, wr-spice, or omedit (the openmodelica editor), all of which are open-source free software capable of simulating circuits

(though ngspice has had some licensing issues in the past i think those are fixed now)

you can get spice models for just about any part on the market and use them in ngspice, wr-spice, or the original berkeley spice, though not falstad's circuit.js or omedit

relevant to this week's tantalizing superconductor news, wr-spice is the only one with a decent josephson junction model

Archit3ch2• 3 years ago

omedit (the openmodelica editor)

No Apple Silicon version? They recommend installing it in a Linux VM...

kragen2• 3 years ago

presumably you can compile it for apple silicon

hvogt• 3 years ago

When talking about open source tools, here are some:

KiCad may be used as a schematic entry tool for ngspice, especially for discrete or PCB-based electronics. You may watch several simulation examples (including oscillators) here: https://forum.kicad.info/t/simulation-examples-for-kicad-ees.... KiCad integrates ngspice internally, but may also provide external ngspice with netlists for simulation.

Another GUI to ngspice is XSCHEM, especially useful for IC design work (see https://xschem.sourceforge.io/stefan/index.html). Device models are available by the Open Source PDKs from Google/Skywater, Google/GF, or IHP. A growing community is supporting digital, analog or mixed-signal design flows.

QUCS-S (https://ra3xdh.github.io/) is a GUI for ngspice or XyCE.

Indeed device models have to be added manually to the devices in the circuit schematic, when invoking ngspice via KiCad or QUCS-S, except for some basic devices with integrated models. Models are provided by device makers, distributors or web sites like this one: https://ngspice.sourceforge.io/modelparams.html .

An open-source, free circuit simulator

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