TikTok pushing Chinese propaganda to millions of users in Europe: analysis

https://nypost.com/2023/07/27/tiktok-has-pushed-chinese-propaganda-to-millions-of-europeans/

by thunderbong • 3 years ago

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RGamma• 3 years ago

Pull the goddamn plug of all these leeches feeding off our sociocultural capital. Getting Neuland[1] vibes again.

[1] Angela Merkel infamously said in 2013 (!) that the internet is uncharted territory ("Neuland") for "all of us".

meiraleal4• 3 years ago

Which was exactly during the time she was being spied by US agencies[1]

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spie...

monetus• 3 years ago

I wonder how many times the allied intelligence services found the opportunity to pwn each other, and did so rather than patching what they found.

veave2• 3 years ago

Now do a report on American propaganda in American social media.

isthisfoss3• 3 years ago

What’s American propaganda? Supporting Ukraine?

meiraleal4• 3 years ago

Do you believe that the only agenda US corporations and big tech companies are pushing onto their global audience is support for Ukraine?

DyslexicAtheist2• 3 years ago

This might be shocking to hear for some but fwiw: https://imgur.io/gallery/z1noQGJ

Also from 17 hours ago: "UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAPs"

For detailed scientific elaboration on propaganda Jacques Ellul is a must read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul -> Joseph Weizenbaum has read him, and so should anyone who uses the P-word on HN :)

PS: Слава Україні! :)

ravenstine• 3 years ago

Propaganda is propaganda, whether or not one appreciates the outcome, so yes, that would be one example.

mistermann• 3 years ago

My sensors have detected more than a little propaganda of various forms on the Ukraine topic. Lots of things going on there, and the English language (including how it's processed by consciousness: sub-perceptually) and western cultural norms and media structure offer a wide variety of ways to plant a false conceptualization of precisely what's going on in the public's minds.

A standard response to this is inaccurate/misleading rhetoric (based upon the individual's false conceptualization, here's where the magic lies), also a cultural norm.

infamouscow• 3 years ago

The Smith–Mundt Modernization Act of 2012 makes it legal for the government to propagandize the population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization...

thefurdrake• 3 years ago

Lead by example and post one yourself.

gumballindie3• 3 years ago

Now do some research on which country defends china’s shenanigans in europe in exchange for access to china’s markets, in order to sell their emissions cheating vehicles.

Hint: the same country that did russia favours in exchange for gas and oil. Hopefully the rest of the world finally understands what’s going on in europe, and why the continent stagnates both economically and politically.

paddim8• 3 years ago

Europe is not stagnating

andreygrehov4• 3 years ago

Each country has its own propaganda. It's naïve to think that America doesn't have a propaganda and one is not influenced by it. We need a website that lists all of them (in markdown format).

fsflover• 3 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Propaganda_by_country

andreygrehov4• 3 years ago

Nah, wikipedia is highly manipulated. Maybe a git repo would work better.

rambojohnson• 3 years ago

or chinese propagandists using tiktok to push chinese propaganda to millions of users in europe: analysis?

wtf is with these trolls this week...

from the nypost no less...

joemazerino• 3 years ago

Glad to see TikTok finally being called out for what it is. A CCP propaganda surveillance machine.

Do a quick comparison of TikTok's algorithmic suggestions versus Douyin's (China tiktok). Culture war for thee but not for me.

pests• 3 years ago

Your suggestions, maybe.

65a• 3 years ago

It's not surprising to find that half the comments in this thread are about what other countries are doing or have done. I find it less than genuine, certainly those should be submitted as separate posts, and can be debated there on their own merits, as should this one.

bubblematrix2• 3 years ago

It's a boilerplate response for pro-China comments.

red-iron-pine• 3 years ago

Whataboutism is the standard SOP to derail conversations, esp. when related to international politics.

Other tactics include injecting hot button issues like race, gender, or TSLA into topics -- "lightning rods" -- or setting up wild strawmen to distract and create dog-pile situations.

Ideally, combine these approaches together, and have them speak from the view you want to discredit.

Multiple participants also lend legitimacy, so use long-establish sockpuppet accounts and bots to give the appearance of consensus.

nenaoki• 3 years ago

standard SOP

Double-standard operating procedure.

bubblematrix2• 3 years ago

Correct, COINTEL pro techniques that are used by many organizations (political super pacs, governments, etc.)

https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin....

meiraleal4• 3 years ago

Sounds like paranoia and another kind of whataboutism.

MiguelX413• 3 years ago

I want the other propaganda machines to be punished IN ADDITION to TikTok, not just TikTok because it's a Chinese propaganda machine.

meiraleal4• 3 years ago

HN discussions aren't delimited to what the OP or any other participants want to. NYPost is considered US propaganda to millions of people around the world, thousands of them are part of this forum. To question who is accusing another company of propaganda is a legitimate part of this discussion.

hunters_laptop• 3 years ago

new york's propaganda media accuse other media is a propaganda, classic

isthisfoss3• 3 years ago

“It’s OK when we do it!” -US Govt. re: TikTok spying and propagandizing American citizens.

mensetmanusman• 3 years ago

They have the power and can use it!

aaomidi• 3 years ago

What is the content of the aforementioned propaganda?

I swear TikTok is the only platform not outright pushing hate content. If NYP is mad about it then they’re probably doing something right.

TikTok pushing Chinese propaganda to millions of users in Europe: analysis

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